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From: "Ville Syrjälä" <syrjala@sci.fi>
To: Linux Frame Buffer Device Development
	<linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] neofb patches
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:06:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040430150627.GB1543@sci.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083275840.21436.148.camel@gaston>

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On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 07:57:20AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> 
> > > Finally, the geometry of screens is something that has nothing to
> > > do in the kernel imho.
> > 
> > I don't like micro kernel designs. This is way micro kernels handle this 
> > problem.
> 
> This has nothing to do with microkernel design and everything to do with
> not bloating the kernel with things that don't to be there.

I would like the kernel to handle CRTCs and overlays in the same way, and 
that way IMHO should be to calculate register values in userspace and just 
have a few ioctls to have the kernel write them.

Set all registers ioctl:
Nothing special needed here I think.

Set buffer offset (pan/flip) ioctl:
This one should return the current vertical blank counter. It's needed for 
proper triple buffering. It should also be able to choose when to flip 
(immediately or vblank, on top/bottom/any field).

Wait for vertical blank ioctl:
This one should also return the current vblank counter. It should also be 
able to wait for absolute and relative vblank counter values. Waiting for 
relative=1 would insure you're at the vblank when it returns and waiting 
for absolute=last_flip_counter_value+1 would help with double buffering.


The main reason for userspace register calculation is that there are a lot 
of knobs in some hardware (especially with overlays). Trying to abstract 
those without loosing any features would be a problem. And even the API 
would cover all of todays graphics chip something new might come along in 
the future and the API might become too limited.

-- 
Ville Syrjälä
syrjala@sci.fi
http://www.sci.fi/~syrjala/


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-30 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-21  1:14 [PATCH] neofb patches Alex Stewart
2004-04-21 17:47 ` James Simmons
2004-04-21 19:10   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-04-22  8:09     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-23 23:27       ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 16:53     ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23 20:03       ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 18:35     ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 19:54       ` James Simmons
2004-04-22  3:18   ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-22 20:57     ` James Simmons
2004-04-23  4:03       ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23  6:43         ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23 23:00           ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 23:00             ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " James Simmons
2004-04-24  3:15             ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-04-24  7:08               ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-24  7:08                 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alex Stewart
2004-04-25  3:10                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  3:10                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  3:09               ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  3:09                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-24 17:29             ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-24 17:29               ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alex Stewart
2004-04-25  0:55               ` James Simmons
2004-04-25  0:55                 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " James Simmons
2004-04-26 18:12                 ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-27  0:11                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-27  1:15                     ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-27  8:49                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-27 10:12                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 20:25                           ` James Simmons
2004-04-27 22:48                             ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27 23:10                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 23:21                                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-27 23:25                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 23:46                                   ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27 23:50                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  0:38                                       ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  0:41                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  1:39                                           ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  3:17                                             ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-28  3:18                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 17:02                                                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-28  4:36                                               ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  4:56                                                 ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-28  6:59                                                   ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  8:26                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 22:00                                           ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  0:29                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:54                                       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-04-28  1:15                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  1:21                                       ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28 16:53                                         ` James Simmons
2004-04-28  0:23                                   ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:20                                 ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  7:08                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  8:27                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 10:16                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-28 16:37                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28 16:50                                           ` James Simmons
2004-04-28 22:26                                           ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-28 23:42                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 23:59                                               ` James Simmons
2004-04-29  1:06                                               ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29  1:20                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 16:56                                                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-29 21:57                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-30 15:06                                                       ` Ville Syrjälä [this message]
2004-04-30 16:50                                                         ` James Simmons
2004-05-01  0:40                                                           ` Otto Solares
2004-05-06 19:28                                                             ` Mobility M1 refresh code problem 2.4.26? Richard Smith
2004-05-06 19:57                                                               ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-06 20:35                                                                 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-06 20:42                                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 21:12                                                                     ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07  7:57                                                                       ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-07 14:11                                                                         ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07 15:34                                                                           ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-07 19:42                                                                             ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07 23:11                                                                               ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-04-29  8:32                                               ` [PATCH] neofb patches Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-29  1:07                                             ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29  1:23                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 13:01                                               ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-29 17:52                                                 ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29 23:12                                                   ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-30  1:18                                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-30  1:28                                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-30 21:26                                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28 23:30                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 17:39                                       ` James Simmons
2004-04-28 18:03                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 22:46                                         ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27  8:56                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-23 16:07         ` James Simmons

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