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From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Cc: Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com>,
	William Stearns <wstearns@pobox.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea ofwhat reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:08:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200409101308.i8AD8cDF003406@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>  of "Thu, 09 Sep 2004 22:04:38 MST." <414135E6.8050103@namesys.com>

Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> said:
> Paul Jakma wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Hans Reiser wrote:
> >> It is not part of it at one level, but in the shell it is part of it.

> > Just one of many applications. Watch Joe-user save their word 
> > processing file sometime, they'll use spaces, quotes, etc.

> With great unhappiness they will.

Given the right GUI, they won't even notice.

> >> Have you looked at the political process at all? Or by lots of 
> >> people, do you mean a sizable minority?

> > Kernel development does 

> did you mean to have a "not" here?

> > require deep understanding by the majority of computer users. Only 
> > kernel developers need deep understanding. ;)

> What makes you think kernel developers have a deep understanding of the 
> value of connectivity in the OS?

Enlighten us. Never heard of "conectivity in the OS" before.

>                                  They don't. The average kernel 
> developer is not particularly bright.

Right.

>                                       Just ask Ted why htrees are slower 
> than reiser4, or ext2 tail combining is slower, and, well, he has no 
> clue.

Great PR move, again: Go on publicly insulting the people who you are
trying to convince.

>       He is happy to explain how architects don't do real work and 
> should not attend the Linux Kernel Summit, and then when reiser4 blows 
> htrees away he undoubtedly still thinks I just take the credit away from 
> the programmers who do the real work. They did real work, and they are 
> the best in the field, but architecture also matters --- quite a lot 
> actually.

Right you are about architecture.

[...]

> This is why I just want to be left alone to tinker with reiser4. It is 
> faster than other filesystems. People should assume I know what I am 
> doing, and leave me to tinker in my little fs. 5 years later others will 
> follow, or not, I don't care.

Great idea.

> > The real question though is: Have you given Al Viro technical answers 
> > to his technical questions?

> Yes, I did.

Haven't seen them.

>             Got no response. Would you like me to post something nice 
> and technical to this thread?;-)

That is what this list is supposed to be about: Technical discussion of the
Linux kernel development.

>                                  I can send a summary of my design, and 
> the answers I sent to Viro and Linus.

Please do. Together with the questions, so we can see the whole picture.
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-10 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-29 20:21 silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why Hans Reiser
2004-08-31  0:05 ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-08-31  6:43   ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-01  3:13     ` Alexander G. M. Smith
2004-09-01  3:55       ` David Masover
2004-09-01  8:07       ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-01 17:19         ` Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando
2004-08-31 13:12 ` Pavel Machek
2004-08-31 13:36   ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-09-02 11:59     ` Mikaël Cluseau
2004-09-02 13:32       ` mjt
2004-09-07 20:16   ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-07 20:59     ` Pavel Machek
2004-09-08  9:14       ` Romano Giannetti
2004-09-07 21:05     ` William Stearns
2004-09-07 22:09       ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-09-09  9:03         ` silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea ofwhat " Theodore Ts'o
2004-09-09 17:23           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-09-09 18:09           ` Gunnar Ritter
2004-09-09 19:15           ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-09 20:45             ` Paul Jakma
2004-09-10  0:57               ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  1:15                 ` Paul Jakma
2004-09-10  5:04                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  5:53                     ` viro
2004-09-10  6:52                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  7:05                         ` viro
2004-09-10  7:30                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 16:49                             ` Lee Revell
2004-09-10 17:23                               ` viro
2004-09-10  7:21                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  7:33                         ` viro
2004-09-10  7:46                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10  8:18                             ` viro
2004-09-10  9:20                     ` Alan Cox
2004-09-10 17:48                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 17:07                         ` Alan Cox
2004-09-10 13:08                     ` Horst von Brand [this message]
2004-09-10  3:22                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-09-12 20:43             ` Davide Inglima
2004-09-10  9:42           ` Helge Hafting
2004-09-10 17:42             ` Horst von Brand
     [not found]             ` <20040910201738.GB8698@eskimo.com>
2004-09-14  8:39               ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-31 14:09 ` silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what " Mike Waychison
2004-08-31 18:35   ` Hubert Chan
2004-08-31 17:55 ` V13
2004-08-31 18:17   ` Spam
2004-08-31 18:17     ` Spam
2004-08-31 19:08     ` Tonnerre
2004-08-31 19:38       ` Spam
2004-08-31 19:38         ` Spam
2004-09-01  3:11         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-09-01  3:11           ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-09-01 13:18           ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-08-31 19:35     ` V13
2004-08-31 20:22       ` Hubert Chan
2004-08-31 20:31         ` Spam
2004-08-31 21:58           ` Hubert Chan
2004-08-31 22:15             ` Spam
2004-08-31 22:46               ` Hubert Chan
2004-08-31 18:51   ` Hubert Chan
2004-08-31 19:49   ` Chris Dawes
2004-09-01  6:03   ` Hans Reiser

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