From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Kendall Bennett <KendallB@scitechsoft.com>
Cc: Richard Smith <rsmith@bitworks.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT?
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:48:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041019214818.GF1142@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41740384.5783.12A07B14@localhost>
Hi!
> > Its a sad fact though that we are (x86 anyway) dependant on some
> > amazingly fragile, stupid, usually binary only, legacy bloated, and
> > quite often buggy, 16-bit realmode video init code that should have
> > been put to pasture many years ago.
>
> Actually there is nothing wrong with the x86 BIOS from the perspective of
> functionality and useability (or bloat for that matter). It contains all
> the functionality we need and armed with something like the x86 emulator
> we can use it for what we need on any platform.
>
> Open Firmware may be a 'nicer' solution, but I guarantee that if the
> vendors started supporting that it would be just a bug ridden as any 16-
> bit real mode BIOS code. For the Video BIOS the code always works for
> what it is tested for. Some vendors spend more time testing the VBE BIOS
> side of things fully (if they are smart they have licensed our VBETest
> tools for this purpose). Unfortunatley some vendors do not test this
> stuff thoroughly and it has problems. But the same testing issues would
> exist whether the firmware was written as a 16-bit x86 blob or as an Open
> Firmware blob.
Actually that 16-bit x86 blob can access any PC hardware, and that's
where the stuff gets hard.
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-19 21:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-14 19:02 Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT? Kendall Bennett
2004-10-14 19:59 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 23:36 ` Ian Romanick
2004-10-14 20:48 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 18:05 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 18:55 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 19:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 22:22 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 0:27 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 0:27 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 18:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 23:20 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-15 23:51 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 23:58 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-16 1:50 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 1:50 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 2:03 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 19:34 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 20:34 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 20:34 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-18 20:47 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 21:04 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 21:16 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 22:34 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 22:34 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-18 23:28 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 0:18 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19 0:18 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-19 0:55 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 1:39 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19 1:39 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-19 17:54 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 17:54 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:48 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-10-20 17:01 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:01 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-21 19:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 19:36 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:42 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 12:05 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-15 12:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 12:45 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-19 21:54 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 13:13 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-17 12:07 ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-18 8:36 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 8:36 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 11:39 ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-18 12:10 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 12:10 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 20:21 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-18 20:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-10-19 16:57 ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-15 18:29 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2004-10-16 9:01 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-16 9:01 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-15 18:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 13:48 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 13:48 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 18:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:44 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 22:12 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-16 0:41 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 0:41 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-26 11:14 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-26 11:14 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 1:58 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-27 11:11 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 19:52 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-27 19:52 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 17:44 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-16 17:44 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 19:34 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-19 21:11 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 17:01 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:01 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:31 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 18:44 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 18:44 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:10 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-21 19:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 19:36 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 20:47 ` Richard Smith
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