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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Kendall Bennett <KendallB@scitechsoft.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT?
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:08:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041020190846.GA21315@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41763777.26324.1B3B684C@localhost>

Hi!

> > > Open Firmware may be a 'nicer' solution, but I guarantee that if the 
> > > vendors started supporting that it would be just a bug ridden as any 16-
> > > bit real mode BIOS code. For the Video BIOS the code always works for 
> > > what it is tested for. Some vendors spend more time testing the VBE BIOS 
> > > side of things fully (if they are smart they have licensed our VBETest 
> > > tools for this purpose). Unfortunatley some vendors do not test this 
> > > stuff thoroughly and it has problems. But the same testing issues would 
> > > exist whether the firmware was written as a 16-bit x86 blob or as an Open 
> > > Firmware blob.
> > 
> > Actually that 16-bit x86 blob can access any PC hardware, and that's
> > where the stuff gets hard.
> 
> Yes, but there is only a very small set of PC hardware features you need 
> to implement, and most BIOS'es only look at those things for timing 
> purposes. Unfortunately there is no standard for how BIOS'es do internal 
> timing and delay loops, so we emulate them all (8253 timers, speaker 
> ports and CMOS time/date support ;-).

Hmm, that does not seem that bad. Did you need to emulate interrupt
controller, too? That one seemed most scary to me.
								Pavel
-- 
People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers...
...jr ghea gurz vagb qrirybcref, naq gurl frrz gb yvxr vg gung jnl!

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-20 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-14 19:02 Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT? Kendall Bennett
2004-10-14 19:59 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 23:36   ` Ian Romanick
2004-10-14 20:48 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 18:05   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 18:55     ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 19:18       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 22:22       ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15  0:27 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15  0:27   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 18:36   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 21:51       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 23:20       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-15 23:51         ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 23:58           ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 21:15           ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-16  1:50         ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16  1:50           ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16  2:03           ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34             ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 19:34               ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 20:34               ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 20:34                 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-18 20:47                 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 21:04                   ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 21:16                 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 22:34                   ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 22:34                     ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-18 23:28                     ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19  0:18                       ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19  0:18                         ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-19  0:55                     ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19  1:39                       ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19  1:39                         ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
2004-10-19 17:54                         ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 17:54                           ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:48                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 17:01                         ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:01                           ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:08                           ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-10-21 19:36                             ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 19:36                               ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:42                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 12:05 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-15 12:38   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 12:45     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-19 21:54       ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 13:13     ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-17 12:07       ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-18  8:36         ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18  8:36           ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 11:39           ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-18 12:10             ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 12:10               ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 20:21               ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-18 20:42                 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-10-19 16:57                   ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-15 18:29     ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2004-10-16  9:01       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-16  9:01         ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-15 18:36   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 13:48 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 13:48   ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 18:36   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:44     ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 22:12       ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-16  0:41         ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16  0:41           ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-26 11:14           ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-26 11:14             ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27  1:58             ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-27 11:11               ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 19:52                 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-27 19:52                   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 21:51       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 17:44 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-16 17:44   ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 19:34     ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-19 21:11 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 17:01   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:01     ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:31     ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 18:44       ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 18:44         ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:10         ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-21 19:36           ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 19:36             ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 20:47             ` Richard Smith

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