From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: "Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>,
Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
linux <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
rlrevell@joe-job.com, CK Kernel <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
utz <utz@s2y4n2c.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
alexn@dsv.su.se, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:12:31 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050125141231.GA19539@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41F5E727.4000208@yahoo.com.au>
* Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > This is a far better idea from an API perspective. We can continue
> > writing to the POSIX realtime standard interfaces. Yet users can
> > actually take advantage of them. I like it.
>
> This still doesn't solve your privlige problem though. If I can't
> renice something as a regular user, it makes no sense to allow such
> realtime behaviour.
>
> I still think the ulimit patches aren't a bad idea to solve your
> privilege problem. At that point, is there still a need for
> rt_cpu_limit?
i do believe it is not robust to give unprivileged users RT priorities,
without safeguards installed. Most normal desktops have some sort of
audio playback capability, so this problem needs a robust, API-neutral
and configurable/flexible solution.
RT-LSM and rlimit privileges are configurable, API-neutral but not
robust, while rt_cpu_limit is robust but not flexible. SCHED_ISO meets
all those needs.
there's a fourth option which is simpler than SCHED_ISO: in the previous
mail i've announced the RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature, which should meet
all these requirements as well: the security and API ease-of-use of
rt_cpu_limit, and the maximum flexibility of rlimits. (It also has the
extra bonus of enabling the tweaking/securing of existing RT classes,
which SCHED_ISO doesnt do.)
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-25 14:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-19 22:39 [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 0:16 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20 0:33 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 4:26 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20 5:55 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 17:54 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-01-20 20:27 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 0:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 1:32 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 2:06 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 2:45 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 4:07 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 4:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 5:05 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-20 5:59 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 6:35 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 15:19 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 15:42 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 16:47 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 17:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 0:09 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 16:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 21:23 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 2:06 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-23 2:58 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-24 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 9:55 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-24 10:29 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-24 10:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 12:58 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 14:01 ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
[not found] ` <87k6q2umla.fsf@sulphur.joq.us>
2005-01-25 6:28 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-25 14:12 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-01-25 8:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:36 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 21:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:55 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 21:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:03 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:16 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:44 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-01-26 5:12 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 7:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 11:02 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 13:56 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 14:06 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 22:18 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-25 22:26 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 10:08 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 14:22 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 16:18 ` [ck] " Cal
2005-01-26 16:29 ` Cal
2005-01-26 16:41 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 17:57 ` Cal
2005-01-26 18:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27 2:03 ` Cal
2005-01-27 8:51 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D8 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 12:48 ` Cal
2005-01-27 16:31 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-26 21:28 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Peter Williams
2005-01-26 21:44 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 9:20 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-31 23:03 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-01 10:11 ` [patch] sys_setpriority() euid semantics fix Ingo Molnar
2005-02-01 21:46 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 5:24 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 7:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 22:27 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 23:29 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27 2:31 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27 3:26 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27 5:15 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27 5:54 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 11:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 5:10 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 11:10 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 16:44 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 21:14 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:20 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 21:34 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 22:59 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 2:46 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 14:20 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 20:19 ` Con Kolivas
2005-02-03 20:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:15 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:41 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 22:24 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 22:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04 0:36 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-03 21:48 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-04 16:41 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-04 21:38 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 21:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 23:01 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-11 21:27 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 21:54 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 23:03 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-02 23:46 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 1:13 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 3:10 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 3:56 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 21:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04 0:35 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-04 17:21 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 2:54 ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 3:25 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 16:01 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 18:59 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 19:31 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 22:45 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 20:01 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28 6:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 8:09 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28 8:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 8:35 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28 8:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 9:01 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28 9:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29 0:44 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28 9:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-28 22:16 ` Peter Williams
2005-01-28 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29 7:02 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-31 22:29 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-01 0:39 ` Bill Huey
2005-01-25 5:16 ` [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 15:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-23 20:48 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 22:57 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 1:06 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 1:09 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 4:45 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 4:53 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 6:28 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 6:35 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 6:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 22:58 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 3:55 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 13:05 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 14:38 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 18:36 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 20:52 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-24 21:46 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 7:38 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 7:41 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 6:30 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 20:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 21:59 ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-21 0:30 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 14:06 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 17:49 ` ross
2005-01-20 19:07 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-20 23:17 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 7:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07 3:09 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-07 3:27 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-07 3:27 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 9:06 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 17:09 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 19:32 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 9:18 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-21 16:23 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 16:40 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 0:06 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:18 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 6:19 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:48 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:50 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 7:09 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 20:22 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 1:02 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 3:02 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 4:29 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 4:46 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 4:50 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 7:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-23 13:57 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23 1:31 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 1:41 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23 1:56 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23 4:50 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 23:30 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-21 23:48 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 0:28 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-22 3:52 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 6:15 ` Jack O'Quin
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