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From: Bill Huey (hui) <bhuey@lnxw.com>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	linux <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rlrevell@joe-job.com, CK Kernel <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	utz <utz@s2y4n2c.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	alexn@dsv.su.se, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:39:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050201003922.GA26460@nietzsche.lynx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41FEB136.5070706@tmr.com>

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 05:29:10PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> The problem hasn't changed in a few decades, neither has the urge of 
> developers to make their app look good at the expense of the rest of the 
> system. Been there and done that myself.
> 
> "Back when" we had no good tools except to raise priority and drop 
> timeslice if a process blocked for i/o and vice-versa if it used the 
> whole timeslice. The amzing thing is that it worked reasonably well as 
> long as no one was there who knew how to cook the books the scheduler 
> used. And the user could hold off interrupts for up to 16ms, just to 
> make it worse.

A lot of this scheduling policy work is going to have to be redone as
badly written apps start getting their crap together and as this patch
is more and more pervasive in the general Linux community. What's
happening now is only the beginning of things to come and it'll require
a solid sample application with even more hooks into the kernel before
we'll see the real benefits of this patch. SCHED_FIFO will have to do
until more development happens with QoS style policies.
 
bill


  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-01  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-19 22:39 [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:16 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  0:33   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:26     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  5:55       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 17:54   ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-01-20 20:27     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  1:32   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  2:06     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  2:45       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  4:07         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:57           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  5:05             ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-20  5:59             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  6:35               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 15:19                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 15:42                   ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 16:47                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 17:25                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22  0:09                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 16:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 21:23                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  2:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-23  2:58                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-24  8:59                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24  9:55                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-24 10:29                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-24 10:46                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 12:58                                 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:34                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:53                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 14:01                                     ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
     [not found]                                   ` <87k6q2umla.fsf@sulphur.joq.us>
2005-01-25  6:28                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-25 14:12                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25  8:37                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:36                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 21:49                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:55                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 21:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:03                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:16                                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:44                                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-01-26  5:12                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:27                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 11:02                                               ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 13:56                                   ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 14:06                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 22:18                                     ` Peter Williams
2005-01-25 22:26                                       ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26 10:08                                         ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 14:22                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 16:18                                           ` [ck] " Cal
2005-01-26 16:29                                             ` Cal
2005-01-26 16:41                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 17:57                                               ` Cal
2005-01-26 18:57                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  2:03                                                   ` Cal
2005-01-27  8:51                                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D8 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 12:48                                                       ` Cal
2005-01-27 16:31                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-26 21:28                                           ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Peter Williams
2005-01-26 21:44                                           ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26  9:20                                       ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-31 23:03                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-01 10:11                                           ` [patch] sys_setpriority() euid semantics fix Ingo Molnar
2005-02-01 21:46                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26  5:24                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:04                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 22:27                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 23:29                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  2:31                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  3:26                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  5:15                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  5:54                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  8:35                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27  8:59                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 11:35                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02  5:10                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 11:10                                                       ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 16:44                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 21:14                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:20                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:21                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 21:34                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 22:59                                                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03  2:46                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 14:20                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 20:19                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-02-03 20:47                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:15                                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:28                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:59                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 22:24                                                                                   ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 22:26                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:36                                                                           ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-03 21:48                                                                       ` Peter Williams
2005-02-04 16:41                                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-04 21:38                                                                           ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 23:01                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-11 21:27                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 21:54                                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 23:03                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-02 23:46                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  1:13                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  3:10                                                                 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  3:56                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 21:36                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:35                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-02-04 17:21                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  2:54                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03  3:25                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 11:37                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 16:01                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 18:59                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 19:31                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:29                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 22:45                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:17                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 20:01                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  6:38                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:09                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:08                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:35                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:40                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  9:01                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  9:11                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  0:44                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  9:51                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-28 22:16                                                   ` Peter Williams
2005-01-28 22:19                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  7:02                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-31 22:29                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-01  0:39                                                     ` Bill Huey [this message]
2005-01-25  5:16                                 ` [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 15:09                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-23 20:48                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 22:57                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  1:06                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  1:09                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  4:45                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  4:53                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:28                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:35                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:57                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 22:58                                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25  3:55                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 13:05                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 14:38                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 18:36                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 20:52                                                       ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-24 21:46                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:38                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  7:41                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 20:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 21:59                       ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-21  0:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 14:06                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 17:49                     ` ross
2005-01-20 19:07                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-20 23:17                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21  7:48                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07  3:09               ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-07  3:27                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-07  3:27                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  9:06             ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 17:09               ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 19:32                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21  9:18                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-21 16:23                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 16:40                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  0:06                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:18                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  6:19                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:48                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:50                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  7:09                         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 20:22                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  1:02                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  3:02                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:29                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:46                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:50                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:37                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-23 13:57                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:31                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  1:41                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:56                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:50                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 23:30 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-21 23:48   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  0:28     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-22  3:52       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:15         ` Jack O'Quin

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