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From: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>,
	Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	linux <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rlrevell@joe-job.com, CK Kernel <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	utz <utz@s2y4n2c.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	alexn@dsv.su.se, Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:26:31 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F6C797.80403@bigpond.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41F6C5CE.9050303@bigpond.net.au>

Peter Williams wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
>> pretty much the only criticism of the RT-CPU patch was that the global
>> sysctl is too rigid and that it doesnt allow privileged tasks to ignore
>> the limit. I've uploaded a new RT-CPU-limit patch that solves this
>> problem:
>>
>>   http://redhat.com/~mingo/rt-limit-patches/
>>
>> i've removed the global sysctl and implemented a new rlimit,
>> RT_CPU_RATIO: the maximum amount of CPU time RT tasks may use, in
>> percent. For testing purposes it defaults to 80%.
>>
>> the RT-limit being an rlimit makes it much more configurable: root tasks
>> can have unlimited CPU time limit, while users could have a more
>> conservative setting of say 30%. This also makes it per-process and
>> runtime configurable as well. The scheduler will instantly act upon any
>> new RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit.
>>
>> (this approach is fundamentally different from the previous patch that
>> made the "maximum RT-priority available to an unprivileged task" value
>> an rlimit - with priorities being an rlimit we still havent made RT
>> priorities safe against deadlocks.)
>>
>> multiple tasks can have different rlimits as well, and the scheduler
>> interprets it the following way: it maintains a per-CPU "RT CPU use"
>> load-average value and compares it against the per-task rlimit. If 
>> e.g. the task says "i'm in the 60% range" and the current average is 70%,
>> then the scheduler delays this RT task - if the next task has an 80%
>> rlimit then it will be allowed to run. This logic is straightforward and
>> can be used as a further control mechanism against runaway highprio RT
>> tasks.
>>
>> other properties of the RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit:
>>
>>  - if there's idle time in the system then RT tasks will be
>>    allowed to use more than the limit.
>>
>>  - if an RT task goes above the limit all the time then there
>>    is no guarantee that exactly the limit will be allowed for
>>    it. (i.e. you should set the limit to somewhat above the real
>>    needs of the RT task in question.)
>>
>>  - a zero RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO value means unlimited CPU time to that
>>    RT task. If the task is not an RT task then it may not change to RT
>>    priority. (i.e. a zero value makes it fully compatible with previous
>>    RT scheduling semantics.)
>>
>>  - a nonzero rt_cpu_limit value also has the effect of allowing
>>    the use of RT priorities to nonprivileged users.
>>
>>  - on SMP the limit is measured and enforced per-CPU.
>>
>>  - runtime overhead is minimal, especially if the limit is set to 0.
>>
>>  - the CPU-use measurement code has a 'memory' of roughly 300 msecs.
>>    I.e. if an RT task runs 100 msecs nonstop then it will increase
>>    its CPU use by about 30%. This should be fast enough for users for
>>    the limit to be human-inperceptible, but slow enough to allow
>>    occasional longer timeslices to RT tasks.
> 
> 
> As I understand this (and I may be wrong), the intention is that if a 
> task has its RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit set to a value greater than zero then 
> setting its scheduling policy to SCHED_RR or SCHED_FIFO is allowed. This 
> causes me to ask the following questions:
> 
> 1. Why is current->signal->rlim[RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO].rlim_cur being used 
> in setscheduler() instead of p->signal->rlim[RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO].rlim_cur?
> 
> 2. What stops a task that had a non zero RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit and changed 
> its policy to SCHED_RR or SCHED_FIFO from then setting RT_CPU_RATIO 
> rlimit back to zero and escaping the controls?  As far as I can see 
> (and, once again, I may be wrong) the mechanism for setting rlimits only 
> requires CAP_SYS_RESOURCE privileges in order to increase the value.

Oops, after rereading the patch, a task that set its RT_CPU_RATIO rlimit 
to zero wouldn't be escaping the mechanism at all.  It would be 
suffering maximum throttling.  Sorry for the silly question.

Peter
-- 
Peter Williams                                   pwil3058@bigpond.net.au

"Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious."
  -- Ambrose Bierce

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-25 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-19 22:39 [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:16 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  0:33   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:26     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-20  5:55       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 17:54   ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-01-20 20:27     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  0:53 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  1:32   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  2:06     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  2:45       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  4:07         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  4:57           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20  5:05             ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-20  5:59             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  6:35               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20 15:19                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 15:42                   ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 16:47                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-20 17:25                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22  0:09                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 16:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-22 21:23                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  2:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-23  2:58                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-24  8:59                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24  9:55                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-24 10:29                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-24 10:46                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 12:58                                 ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: /proc/sys/kernel/rt_cpu_limit tunable Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:34                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-24 13:53                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24 14:01                                     ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
     [not found]                                   ` <87k6q2umla.fsf@sulphur.joq.us>
2005-01-25  6:28                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-25 14:12                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25  8:37                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:36                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 21:49                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 21:55                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 21:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:03                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 22:16                                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-25 22:44                                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2005-01-26  5:12                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:27                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 11:02                                               ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 13:56                                   ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-25 14:06                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 22:18                                     ` Peter Williams
2005-01-25 22:26                                       ` Peter Williams [this message]
2005-01-26 10:08                                         ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 14:22                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 16:18                                           ` [ck] " Cal
2005-01-26 16:29                                             ` Cal
2005-01-26 16:41                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 17:57                                               ` Cal
2005-01-26 18:57                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  2:03                                                   ` Cal
2005-01-27  8:51                                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D8 Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 12:48                                                       ` Cal
2005-01-27 16:31                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-26 21:28                                           ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU feature, -D7 Peter Williams
2005-01-26 21:44                                           ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26  9:20                                       ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Ingo Molnar
2005-01-31 23:03                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-01 10:11                                           ` [patch] sys_setpriority() euid semantics fix Ingo Molnar
2005-02-01 21:46                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-01-26  5:24                                     ` [patch, 2.6.11-rc2] sched: RLIMIT_RT_CPU_RATIO feature Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26  7:04                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-26 22:27                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-26 23:29                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  2:31                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  3:26                                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  5:15                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-27  5:54                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-27  8:35                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27  8:59                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 11:35                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02  5:10                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 11:10                                                       ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 16:44                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 21:14                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:20                                                             ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 21:21                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 21:34                                                               ` Bill Huey
2005-02-02 22:59                                                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03  2:46                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03 14:20                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 20:19                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-02-03 20:47                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:15                                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:28                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 21:59                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 22:24                                                                                   ` Paul Davis
2005-02-03 22:26                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:36                                                                           ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-03 21:48                                                                       ` Peter Williams
2005-02-04 16:41                                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-04 21:38                                                                           ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03 21:41                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 23:01                                                                   ` Bill Huey
2005-02-11 21:27                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 21:54                                                         ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 23:03                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-02-02 23:46                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  1:13                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  3:10                                                                 ` Peter Williams
2005-02-03  3:56                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03 21:36                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-04  0:35                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-02-04 17:21                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-03  2:54                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-02-03  3:25                                                             ` Peter Williams
2005-02-02 11:37                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 16:01                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 18:59                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-02 19:31                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:29                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 22:45                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-02 20:17                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-27 20:01                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  6:38                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:09                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:08                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  8:35                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  8:40                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28  9:01                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-28  9:11                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  0:44                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28  9:51                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-28 22:16                                                   ` Peter Williams
2005-01-28 22:19                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-29  7:02                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-31 22:29                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-01  0:39                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-01-25  5:16                                 ` [PATCH]sched: Isochronous class v2 for unprivileged soft rt scheduling Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 15:09                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-23 20:48                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23 22:57                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  1:06                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  1:09                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  4:45                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  4:53                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:28                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24  6:35                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:57                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 22:58                                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25  3:55                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 13:05                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 14:38                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-25 18:36                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-25 20:52                                                       ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-24 21:46                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:38                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  7:41                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-24  6:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-24 20:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 21:59                       ` Peter Chubb
2005-01-21  0:30                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22 14:06                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-20 17:49                     ` ross
2005-01-20 19:07                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-20 23:17                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21  7:48                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07  3:09               ` Werner Almesberger
2005-02-07  3:27                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-02-07  3:27                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-20  9:06             ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 17:09               ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-20 19:32                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21  9:18                   ` Rui Nuno Capela
2005-01-21 16:23                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-21 16:40                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  0:06                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:18                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-22  6:19                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:48                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:50                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  7:09                         ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22 20:22                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  1:02                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  3:02                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:29                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:46                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-23  4:50                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  7:37                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-23 13:57                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:31                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  1:41                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-23  1:56                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-23  4:50                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-21 23:30 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-21 23:48   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  0:28     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-22  3:52       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-22  6:15         ` Jack O'Quin

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