From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
Cc: Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Alexey Zaytsev <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:37:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050616143727.GC10969@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y89a7wfn.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:33:16AM -0400, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> > Ext2/3's encoding has always been utf-8. Period.
>
> In what way does Ext2/3 know or care about file name encoding? Doesn't
> it just store an arbitrary 8-byte string? Couldn't someone claim that
> from the start it was designed to use iso8859-1 just as easily as you
> can claim it was designed to use utf-8?
Because we've had this discussion^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H flame war
years ago, and despite people from Russia whining that that it took 3
bytes to encode each Cyrillic character in UTF-8, it's where we came out.
The bottom-line though is that if someone files a bug report with ext3
because one user on the system was is creating filenames in Japanese,
and another user on the same time-sharing system is creating filenames
in Germany, and they fail to interoperate, and they were doing so in
their local language, we would laugh at them --- just as people
writing mail programs would laugh at people who complained that they
were running into problems Just Sending 8-bits instead of using MIME,
and could you please fix this business-critical bug?
Or as more and more desktop programs start interpreting the filenames
as UTF-8, and people with local variations get screwed, that is their
problem, and Not Ours.
So no, we can't prevent anyone from shooting them in the foot.
However, if they *do* take the gun, aim it straight downwards, and
pull the trigger, we aren't obligated to help.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-06-16 14:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-13 10:38 A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-06-13 18:01 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 9:32 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 8:04 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 8:26 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 8:54 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15 9:14 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 9:41 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-15 23:34 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 1:44 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41 ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16 9:40 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22 8:41 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 1:18 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 8:21 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 8:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 9:17 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:37 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:41 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06 ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 1:42 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31 ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:52 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 2:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16 2:59 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 4:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2005-06-19 17:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26 0:00 ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15 9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16 1:55 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 3:59 ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Kyle Moffett
2005-06-18 15:24 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:12 ` A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Bodo Eggert
2005-06-18 15:31 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:56 ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-06-17 23:22 Islam Amer
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