From: Lukasz Stelmach <stlman@poczta.fm>
To: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Cc: mru@inprovide.com, Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>,
"Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@ums.usu.ru>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:34:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <42B0BAF5.106@poczta.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050615212825.GS23621@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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Lennart Sorensen napisał(a):
>>And it is good in a way, however, i think kernel level translation
>>should be also possible. Either done by a code in each filsystem or by
>>some layer above it.
>
> What do you do if the underlying filesystem can not store some unicode
> characters that are allowed on others?
That's why UTF-8 is suggested. UTF-8 has been developed to "fool" the
software that need not to be aware of unicodeness of the text it manages
to handle it without any hickups *and* to store in the text information
about multibyte characters.What characters exactly you do mean? NULL?
There is no NULL byte in any UTF-8 string except the one which
terminates it.
> VFAT uses unicode? I thought it used the same codepage silyness as FAT
> did, since after all ti was just supposed to be a long filename
> extension to FAT. Do they use unicode in the long filenames only?
Yes, it uses unicode. And dos codepages in short ones. To prove this
take a vfat floppy and mount it. touch(1) a file on it that has some
non latin1 characters. Unmount the floppy then do dd if=/dev/fd0
of=/tmp/floppy bs=1024 count=512. While it's done take some hex
editor/viewer and seek the latin1-complaint part of the filename
in the floppy file (search for uppercase string). Righ above the short
filename you'll find multibyte long one.
> I think UDF is a better filesystem for many types of media since it is
> able to me more gently to the sectors storing the meta data than VFAT
> ever will be.
I've tried cd packet writing with UDF and it gives insane overhead of
about 20%. What metadata you'd like to store for example on your
flashdrive or a floppy disk?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-06-15 23:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-13 10:38 A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-06-13 18:01 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 9:32 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 8:04 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 8:26 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 8:54 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15 9:14 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 9:41 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-15 23:34 ` Lukasz Stelmach [this message]
2005-06-16 1:44 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41 ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16 9:40 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22 8:41 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 1:18 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 8:21 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 8:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 9:17 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:37 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:41 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06 ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 1:42 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31 ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:52 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 2:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16 2:59 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 4:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-19 17:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26 0:00 ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15 9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16 1:55 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 3:59 ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Kyle Moffett
2005-06-18 15:24 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:12 ` A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Bodo Eggert
2005-06-18 15:31 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:56 ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-06-17 23:22 Islam Amer
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