From: Stefan Smietanowski <stesmi@stesmi.com>
To: Alexey Zaytsev <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:49:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <42AD649E.1020901@stesmi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f192987705061303383f77c10c@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi.
> I have a Great Idea about improving NLS in the linux kernel and I want
> somebody with kernel experience consider if it's good or not, just not
> to waste time on writing code that will be rejected.
>
> First of all, why do I think the current NLS implementation isn't good enough.
>
> Let's look at a situation. I'm using utf-8 as my default system
> charset, and my friend Vasiliy Pupkin, who uses koi8-r, wants to plug
> his flash drive (ext3) into my computer. It should work, except all
> non-us-ascii filenames will be totally unreadable. The problem is even
> bigger if I have an other friend's hard drive with reiserfs and cp1251
> encoded filenames on it. The problem is not only with Russian language
> for which we have at least 3 common encodings. Everyone who uses
> non-us-ascii letters can face the same problem, since there are at
> least 2 encodings for theyr language - utf-8 and an other one used
> before utf.
>
> Some would suggest not to use non-ascii file names at all, some would
> say that I should temporary change my locale, some could even offer me
> a perl script they wrote when faced the same problem. All these
> solutions are inconvenient and conflict with fundamental VFS concepts.
>
> Instead of adding NLS support to filesystems who don't have it yet, I
> think there should be a global NLS layer, to convert file names from
> any to any encoding, independent of file system and transparently to
> the user.
>
> So what do you think? Is it all nonsense or maybe I should try to implement it?
What do you do when a charset doesn't contain a char that another one
does?
Compare the two very similar charsets ISO-8859-1 and ISO-8859-15 and
have the Euro-sign using ISO-8859-15. Then try to make that into
something sane.
Not knocking you or anything, you just have to think about these
pitfalls.
// Stefan
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-06-13 10:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-13 10:38 A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski [this message]
2005-06-13 18:01 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 9:32 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 8:04 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 8:26 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 8:54 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15 9:14 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 9:41 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-15 23:34 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 1:44 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41 ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16 9:40 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22 8:41 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 1:18 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 8:21 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 8:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 9:17 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:37 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:41 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06 ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 1:42 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31 ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:52 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 2:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16 2:59 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 4:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-19 17:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26 0:00 ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15 9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16 1:55 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 3:59 ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Kyle Moffett
2005-06-18 15:24 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:12 ` A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Bodo Eggert
2005-06-18 15:31 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:56 ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-06-17 23:22 Islam Amer
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