From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 2] mm: speculative get_page
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:06:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050628040608.GQ3334@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42C0AAF8.5090700@yahoo.com.au>
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> tmpfs
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well it switches between page and swap cache, but it seems to just
> use the normal pagecache / swapcache functions for that. It could be
> that I've got a big hole somewhere, but so far I don't think you've
> pointed oen out.
Its radix tree movement bypasses the page allocator.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> hugetlbfs
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well what's the trouble with it?
hugetlb reallocation doesn't go through the page allocator either.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> Someone else deal with this (paulus? anton? other arch maintainers?).
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> I know what a memory barrier is and does, so you said the
> necessary memory barriers aren't in place, so can you deal
> with it?
spin_unlock() does not imply a memory barrier.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> The above is as much as I wanted to go into it. I need to direct my
>> capacity for the grunt work of devising adversary arguments elsewhere.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I would be very
> keen to see real adversary arguments elsewhere though.
They take time to construct.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> You requested comments. I made some.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well yeah thanks, you did point out a thinko I made, and that was very
> helpful and I value any time you spend looking at it. But just saying
> "this is wrong, that won't work, that's crap, ergo the concept is
> useless" without finding anything specifically wrong is not very
> constructive.
I said nothing of that kind, and I did point out specific things.
The limitation of time/effort is directly related to the nature of the
responses.
-- wli
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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 2] mm: speculative get_page
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:06:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050628040608.GQ3334@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42C0AAF8.5090700@yahoo.com.au>
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> tmpfs
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well it switches between page and swap cache, but it seems to just
> use the normal pagecache / swapcache functions for that. It could be
> that I've got a big hole somewhere, but so far I don't think you've
> pointed oen out.
Its radix tree movement bypasses the page allocator.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> hugetlbfs
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well what's the trouble with it?
hugetlb reallocation doesn't go through the page allocator either.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> Someone else deal with this (paulus? anton? other arch maintainers?).
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> I know what a memory barrier is and does, so you said the
> necessary memory barriers aren't in place, so can you deal
> with it?
spin_unlock() does not imply a memory barrier.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> The above is as much as I wanted to go into it. I need to direct my
>> capacity for the grunt work of devising adversary arguments elsewhere.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I would be very
> keen to see real adversary arguments elsewhere though.
They take time to construct.
William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> You requested comments. I made some.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:42:16AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Well yeah thanks, you did point out a thinko I made, and that was very
> helpful and I value any time you spend looking at it. But just saying
> "this is wrong, that won't work, that's crap, ergo the concept is
> useless" without finding anything specifically wrong is not very
> constructive.
I said nothing of that kind, and I did point out specific things.
The limitation of time/effort is directly related to the nature of the
responses.
-- wli
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Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-27 6:29 [rfc] lockless pagecache Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:29 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:32 ` [patch 1] mm: PG_free flag Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:32 ` [patch 2] mm: speculative get_page Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:33 ` [patch 3] radix tree: lookup_slot Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:34 ` [patch 4] radix tree: lockless readside Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:34 ` [patch 5] mm: lockless pagecache lookups Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:35 ` [patch 6] mm: spinlock tree_lock Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 14:12 ` [patch 2] mm: speculative get_page William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-27 14:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-28 0:03 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 0:03 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 0:56 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 0:56 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 1:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-28 1:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-28 1:42 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 1:42 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 4:06 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2005-06-28 4:06 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-28 4:50 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 4:50 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 5:08 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-28 5:08 ` [patch 2] mm: speculative get_page, " David S. Miller, Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 5:34 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 5:34 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 14:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-28 14:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-28 15:43 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 15:43 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 17:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-28 17:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-28 23:10 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 23:10 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 21:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-06-28 21:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-06-28 22:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-28 22:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-28 12:45 ` Andy Whitcroft
2005-06-28 12:45 ` Andy Whitcroft
2005-06-28 13:16 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 13:16 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 16:02 ` Dave Hansen
2005-06-28 16:02 ` Dave Hansen
2005-06-29 16:31 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-29 16:31 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-29 18:43 ` Dave Hansen
2005-06-29 18:43 ` Dave Hansen
2005-06-29 21:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-29 21:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-29 16:31 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-29 16:31 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-27 6:43 ` VFS scalability (was: [rfc] lockless pagecache) Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 6:43 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 7:13 ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-27 7:13 ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-27 7:33 ` VFS scalability Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 7:33 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 7:44 ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-27 7:44 ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-27 8:03 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 8:03 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 7:46 ` [rfc] lockless pagecache Andrew Morton
2005-06-27 7:46 ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-27 8:02 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 8:02 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 8:15 ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-27 8:15 ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-27 8:28 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 8:28 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 8:56 ` Lincoln Dale
2005-06-27 8:56 ` Lincoln Dale
2005-06-27 9:04 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 9:04 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-27 18:14 ` Chen, Kenneth W
2005-06-27 18:14 ` Chen, Kenneth W
2005-06-27 18:50 ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-06-27 18:50 ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-06-27 19:05 ` Chen, Kenneth W
2005-06-27 19:05 ` Chen, Kenneth W
2005-06-27 19:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-27 19:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-27 19:42 ` Chen, Kenneth W
2005-06-27 19:42 ` Chen, Kenneth W
2005-07-05 15:11 ` Sonny Rao
2005-07-05 15:11 ` Sonny Rao
2005-07-05 15:31 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-05 15:31 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-05 15:37 ` Sonny Rao
2005-07-05 15:37 ` Sonny Rao
2005-06-27 13:17 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-06-27 13:17 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-06-28 0:32 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 0:32 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-28 1:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-28 1:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-06-27 14:08 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-27 14:08 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-06-27 17:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-27 17:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-06-29 10:49 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2005-06-29 10:49 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2005-06-29 11:38 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-29 11:38 ` Nick Piggin
2005-06-30 3:32 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2005-06-30 3:32 ` Hirokazu Takahashi
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