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From: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Gerd Knorr <kraxel@suse.de>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Pratap Subrahmanyam <pratap@vmware.com>,
	Christopher Li <chrisl@vmware.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [patch] SMP alternatives
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:03:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051123220324.GA24517@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4384E4F7.9060806@zytor.com>

On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:53:59PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> >
> >I don't think I see the point.  This would let you optimize for the
> >"multi-threaded, but hasn't created any threads yet" or even
> >"multi-threaded, but not right now" cases.  But those really aren't the
> >interesting case to optimize for - that's the equivalent of supporting
> >CPU hotplug.
> >
> >The interesting case is when you know at static link time that the
> >library is single-threaded, or even at dynamic link time.  And it's
> >easy enough at both of those times to handle this.  In many cases glibc
> >doesn't, because it's valid to dlopen libpthread.so, but that could be
> >accomodated - a simple matter of software.
> >
> 
> No, you can never know that unless you can't call mmap().

Please explain what problem you see.  If you use mmap to manually load
libpthread.so, and patch up its relocations without going to ld.so,
obviously you get to keep both pieces.  Or are you talking about
synchronizing access to shared mmaped buffers?

This is different from what Linus was talking about precisely because
we can do it imperatively ("I know this program is single-threaded and
I'm telling you so" instead of "Hmm, this program hasn't called clone
yet").

It's not as technologically slick but I'd need a lot of convincing to
believe it wasn't just as useful; and it has the benefit of not
requiring new silicon.

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery, LLC

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-23 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-10  0:32 [PATCH 1/10] Cr4 is valid on some 486s Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 10:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-11 17:49   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-11 18:00     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-11-11 19:36   ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 19:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-11 20:14       ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 20:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13  7:42           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-13 10:59             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-13 17:26               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-13 17:09                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-13 19:00                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-13 19:07                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-13 19:41                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-13 19:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13 21:32                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14  7:46                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-13 19:56                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-13 19:24             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13 20:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 15:06                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-14 19:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 19:46                     ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-14 19:52                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 20:34                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-14 20:52                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 14:12                     ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:01                       ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:04                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:06                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:10                             ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:14                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-15 16:19                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:25                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:34                                     ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:28                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-15 16:24                             ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:52                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-15 16:16                           ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:08                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-16  9:58                           ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-15 16:16                           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:27                             ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-16 16:12                         ` [RFC] SMP alternatives Gerd Knorr
2005-11-22 17:48                           ` [patch] " Gerd Knorr
2005-11-22 18:01                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-23 15:12                             ` Vincent Hanquez
2005-11-23 19:17                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 15:29                               ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-23 16:42                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 16:39                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 17:21                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 16:59                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:00                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 13:13                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 13:30                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 13:39                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 13:58                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 19:16                                                 ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:26                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 14:34                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 14:22                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 15:15                                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 14:55                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 15:09                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 15:36                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 16:49                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 19:12                                                           ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:14                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 19:24                                                               ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:29                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 19:44                                                                   ` thockin
2005-11-24 21:20                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 21:40                                                                       ` thockin
2005-11-24 23:33                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 23:12                                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 22:48                                                                 ` thockin
2005-11-24 23:35                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-25  0:13                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-25  1:33                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 19:15                                                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-24 16:02                                                         ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 19:09                                                     ` thockin
2005-11-24 14:30                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 17:02                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 18:02                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 18:42                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 17:26                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-23 19:03                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 19:31                                               ` jmerkey
2005-11-23 18:46                                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 19:12                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 19:30                                             ` jmerkey
2005-11-23 21:44                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 21:13                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 21:46                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-23 22:23                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:30                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-23 22:05                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 21:36                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-23 21:36                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:13                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 21:36                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 21:43                                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:15                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:22                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:25                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:32                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:36                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:40                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:52                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 23:10                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24  0:55                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-23 21:48                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 21:53                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:03                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2005-11-23 22:09                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:21                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 23:29                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-23 23:40                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:19                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:20                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 23:08                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 23:02                                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-23 23:42                                                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 23:59                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24  2:06                                                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-24 22:32                                                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-11-28 19:58                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-24  1:02                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-24 13:01                                                       ` Pádraig Brady
2005-11-24 13:12                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-28 19:52                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-28 20:05                                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 22:19                                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-28 23:00                                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 23:07                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 23:30                                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 23:32                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 23:12                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:50                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 22:22                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-25  7:38                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-25 17:33                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-28 20:25                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-25 20:13                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-24  3:23                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-11-24  3:31                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-11-24  3:55                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-24 22:30                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-11-23 16:43                                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-23 16:51                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-24 17:48 linux
2005-11-24 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24 18:24 colin
2006-01-24 15:33 [PATCH] " Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-24 16:22 ` Ben Collins
2006-01-25  9:20   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-26 10:22 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-26 11:17   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-26 11:48     ` Pavel Machek

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