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From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Gerd Knorr <kraxel@suse.de>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Pratap Subrahmanyam <pratap@vmware.com>,
	Christopher Li <chrisl@vmware.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [patch] SMP alternatives
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:30:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <438B92FB.4060805@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <438B8DC6.8070006@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> Zachary Amsden wrote:
>
>>
>> You need a way to type the lock semantics by memory region, and a 
>> working hardware solution can not perform as well as a careful 
>> software solution.  As was pointed out earlier, you can't use memory 
>> type attributes to infer lock semantics, you must assume them in the 
>> decoder or implement complex deadlock detection and recovery in silicon.
>>
>
> Sure you can.  You just have to be prepared to take a microop 
> exception if you speculate incorrectly.


I spoke silicon too heavy handedly.  The complexity of the issue 
disappears if you take an exception, but rewinding state prior to the 
exception and reissuing is going to be less efficient than getting it 
right the first time, which is something software can always guarantee.  
You need to add more hardware for prediction to get it right all the 
time, and it is not clear the cost of that hardware is justified when 
software can always do the right thing.

Zach

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-28 23:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-10  0:32 [PATCH 1/10] Cr4 is valid on some 486s Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 10:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-11 17:49   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-11 18:00     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-11-11 19:36   ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 19:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-11 20:14       ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-11 20:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13  7:42           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-13 10:59             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-13 17:26               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-13 17:09                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-13 19:00                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-13 19:07                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-13 19:41                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-13 19:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13 21:32                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14  7:46                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-13 19:56                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-13 19:24             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-13 20:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 15:06                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-14 19:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 19:46                     ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-14 19:52                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 20:34                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-14 20:52                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 14:12                     ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:01                       ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:04                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:06                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:10                             ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:14                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-15 16:19                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:25                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:34                                     ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:28                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-15 16:24                             ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-15 16:52                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-15 16:16                           ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:08                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-16  9:58                           ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-15 16:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-15 16:16                           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15 16:27                             ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-16 16:12                         ` [RFC] SMP alternatives Gerd Knorr
2005-11-22 17:48                           ` [patch] " Gerd Knorr
2005-11-22 18:01                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-23 15:12                             ` Vincent Hanquez
2005-11-23 19:17                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 15:29                               ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-23 16:42                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 16:39                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 17:21                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 16:59                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:00                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 13:13                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 13:30                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 13:39                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 13:58                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 19:16                                                 ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:26                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 14:34                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 14:22                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 15:15                                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 14:55                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 15:09                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 15:36                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 16:49                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 19:12                                                           ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:14                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 19:24                                                               ` thockin
2005-11-24 19:29                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 19:44                                                                   ` thockin
2005-11-24 21:20                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 21:40                                                                       ` thockin
2005-11-24 23:33                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-24 23:12                                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 22:48                                                                 ` thockin
2005-11-24 23:35                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-25  0:13                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-25  1:33                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 19:15                                                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-24 16:02                                                         ` Alan Cox
2005-11-24 19:09                                                     ` thockin
2005-11-24 14:30                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 17:02                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 18:02                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 18:42                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 17:26                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-23 19:03                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 19:31                                               ` jmerkey
2005-11-23 18:46                                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 19:12                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 19:30                                             ` jmerkey
2005-11-23 21:44                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 21:13                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 21:46                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-23 22:23                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:30                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-23 22:05                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 21:36                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-23 21:36                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:13                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 21:36                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 21:43                                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:15                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:22                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:25                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:32                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:36                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:40                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:52                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 23:10                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24  0:55                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-23 21:48                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 21:53                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:03                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 22:09                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-23 22:21                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 23:29                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-23 23:40                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:19                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 22:20                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 23:08                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-23 23:02                                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-23 23:42                                                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 23:59                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24  2:06                                                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-24 22:32                                                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-11-28 19:58                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-24  1:02                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-24 13:01                                                       ` Pádraig Brady
2005-11-24 13:12                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-28 19:52                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-28 20:05                                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 22:19                                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-28 23:00                                                           ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-28 23:07                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 23:30                                                               ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2005-11-28 23:32                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-28 23:12                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-23 22:50                                               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23 22:22                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-25  7:38                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-25 17:33                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-28 20:25                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-25 20:13                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-24  3:23                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-11-24  3:31                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2005-11-24  3:55                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-11-24 22:30                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2005-11-23 16:43                                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-11-23 16:51                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-24 17:48 linux
2005-11-24 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-24 18:24 colin
2006-01-24 15:33 [PATCH] " Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-24 16:22 ` Ben Collins
2006-01-25  9:20   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-26 10:22 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-26 11:17   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-01-26 11:48     ` Pavel Machek

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