* [linux-lvm] LVM scary! @ 2006-04-03 12:32 Jim Ford 2006-04-03 12:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) Thomas Schwinge 2006-04-03 12:51 ` [linux-lvm] LVM scary! Anil Kumar Sharma 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Jim Ford @ 2006-04-03 12:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-lvm Hmm, there are so many horror stories on this forum that I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't chosen the LVM option when I installed my Kubuntu system! Mind you, having said that, I never had problems with 5 years of software raid on a Slackware box. Just though I'd mention it! Jim Ford ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) 2006-04-03 12:32 [linux-lvm] LVM scary! Jim Ford @ 2006-04-03 12:41 ` Thomas Schwinge 2006-04-03 12:46 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 2006-04-03 12:58 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) Anil Kumar Sharma 2006-04-03 12:51 ` [linux-lvm] LVM scary! Anil Kumar Sharma 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Thomas Schwinge @ 2006-04-03 12:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: LVM general discussion and development On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 01:32:48PM +0100, Jim Ford wrote: > Hmm, there are so many horror stories on this forum that I'm beginning > to wish that I hadn't chosen the LVM option when I installed my Kubuntu > system! Mind you, having said that, I never had problems with 5 years of > software raid on a Slackware box. Well, it's commonly know that mostly the horror stories are what people tell each other and remember. And especially in this very place, as it's main purpose (apart from developing the software further) is to be a contact point for people encountering such issues. I'm quite sure that there are (ten- / hundred-)thousands of LVM installations that just work; like those I did on a number of systems. > Just though I'd mention it! Me too. Regards, Thomas P.S. Next project for me: make GRUB2 read LVM volumes. Anyone who wants to help or has already done something, please speak up now. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) 2006-04-03 12:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) Thomas Schwinge @ 2006-04-03 12:46 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 2006-04-03 13:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! Jim Ford 2006-04-03 12:58 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) Anil Kumar Sharma 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-04-03 12:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: LVM general discussion and development [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1251 bytes --] On Mon, 2006-04-03 08:41:12 -0400, Thomas Schwinge <tschwinge@gnu.org> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 01:32:48PM +0100, Jim Ford wrote: > > Hmm, there are so many horror stories on this forum that I'm beginning > > to wish that I hadn't chosen the LVM option when I installed my Kubuntu > > system! Mind you, having said that, I never had problems with 5 years of > > software raid on a Slackware box. > > Well, it's commonly know that mostly the horror stories are what people > tell each other and remember. And especially in this very place, as it's > main purpose (apart from developing the software further) is to be a > contact point for people encountering such issues. Full ACK. The most scary cases are those where people expect to get high-availability by LVM'ing some IDE disks together. Hey, LVM on MD really is a nice thing, even dm-crypt ontop, works flawlessly :) MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 _ O _ "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! 2006-04-03 12:46 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-04-03 13:41 ` Jim Ford 2006-04-03 13:46 ` Martin Eisenhardt ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Jim Ford @ 2006-04-03 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: LVM general discussion and development Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > Full ACK. The most scary cases are those where people expect to get > >high-availability by LVM'ing some IDE disks together. > >Hey, LVM on MD really is a nice thing, even dm-crypt ontop, works >flawlessly :) > > What, you mean Mini Disk - the little magneto optical disks used for personal audio players? What's the advantage in that, aren't they only about a 1 gig storage? Jim Ford ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! 2006-04-03 13:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! Jim Ford @ 2006-04-03 13:46 ` Martin Eisenhardt 2006-04-03 13:47 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 2006-04-03 13:48 ` Andy Smith 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Martin Eisenhardt @ 2006-04-03 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: LVM general discussion and development [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1154 bytes --] On Monday April 3 2006 15:41, Jim Ford wrote: > Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > > Full ACK. The most scary cases are those where people expect to get > > > >high-availability by LVM'ing some IDE disks together. > > > >Hey, LVM on MD really is a nice thing, even dm-crypt ontop, works > >flawlessly :) > > What, you mean Mini Disk - the little magneto optical disks used for > personal audio players? What's the advantage in that, aren't they only > about a 1 gig storage? No, he is talking about MD in the Linux kernel - the things that enables device mapping, RAID, and all the other wonderful thingies. :-D Regards Martin > > Jim Ford > > _______________________________________________ > linux-lvm mailing list > linux-lvm@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ -- Dipl. Wirtsch.Inf.(Univ.) Martin Eisenhardt Otto-Friedrich-Universität Bamberg Fakultät Wirtschaftinformatik und Angewandte Informatik Lehrstuhl für Medieninformatik D-96045 Bamberg fon: +49 (951) 863-2856 fax: +49 (951) 863-2852 www: http://www.mneisen.org [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 200 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! 2006-04-03 13:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! Jim Ford 2006-04-03 13:46 ` Martin Eisenhardt @ 2006-04-03 13:47 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw 2006-04-03 13:48 ` Andy Smith 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-04-03 13:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: LVM general discussion and development [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1116 bytes --] On Mon, 2006-04-03 14:41:18 +0100, Jim Ford <jaford@watford53.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > >Full ACK. The most scary cases are those where people expect to get > > > >high-availability by LVM'ing some IDE disks together. > > > >Hey, LVM on MD really is a nice thing, even dm-crypt ontop, works > >flawlessly :) > What, you mean Mini Disk - the little magneto optical disks used for > personal audio players? What's the advantage in that, aren't they only > about a 1 gig storage? No, Linux' MultiDisk stuff was ment (SoftRAID). You take a bunch of HDDs, put it to different controllers and configure those *carefully* after *thinking* to show up as a RAID device. Then you can use LVM (again, after careful thinking) with these. MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw@lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 _ O _ "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg _ _ O für einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! | im Irak! O O O ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA)); [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! 2006-04-03 13:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! Jim Ford 2006-04-03 13:46 ` Martin Eisenhardt 2006-04-03 13:47 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-04-03 13:48 ` Andy Smith 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Andy Smith @ 2006-04-03 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-lvm [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 02:41:18PM +0100, Jim Ford wrote: > Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > >Hey, LVM on MD really is a nice thing, even dm-crypt ontop, works > >flawlessly :) > > > What, you mean Mini Disk - the little magneto optical disks used for > personal audio players? What's the advantage in that, aren't they only > about a 1 gig storage? Assuming you are two days late for an april fools joke, he means the md driver as in http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linux+md [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) 2006-04-03 12:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) Thomas Schwinge 2006-04-03 12:46 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw @ 2006-04-03 12:58 ` Anil Kumar Sharma 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Anil Kumar Sharma @ 2006-04-03 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: LVM general discussion and development [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1196 bytes --] On 4/3/06, Thomas Schwinge <tschwinge@gnu.org > wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 01:32:48PM +0100, Jim Ford wrote: > > Hmm, there are so many horror stories on this forum that I'm beginning > > to wish that I hadn't chosen the LVM option when I installed my Kubuntu > > system! Mind you, having said that, I never had problems with 5 years of > > > software raid on a Slackware box. > > Well, it's commonly know that mostly the horror stories are what people > tell each other and remember. And especially in this very place, as it's > main purpose (apart from developing the software further) is to be a > contact point for people encountering such issues. > > I'm quite sure that there are (ten- / hundred-)thousands of LVM > installations that just work; like those I did on a number of systems. Lists move too fast, what I wrote in other thread should have appeared here. P.S . Next project for me: make GRUB2 read LVM volumes. Anyone who wants > to help or has already done something, please speak up now. > > Can contribute in testing, please intimate pointer to test versions. Meanwhile wish you all the best for making GRUB2. -- Anil Kumar Shrama [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1770 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] LVM scary! 2006-04-03 12:32 [linux-lvm] LVM scary! Jim Ford 2006-04-03 12:41 ` [linux-lvm] LVM NOT scary! (was: LVM scary!) Thomas Schwinge @ 2006-04-03 12:51 ` Anil Kumar Sharma 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Anil Kumar Sharma @ 2006-04-03 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: LVM general discussion and development [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 960 bytes --] On 4/3/06, Jim Ford <jaford@watford53.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Hmm, there are so many horror stories on this forum that I'm beginning > to wish that I hadn't chosen the LVM option when I installed my Kubuntu > system! Mind you, having said that, I never had problems with 5 years of > software raid on a Slackware box. > > I agree it is scary, by which I mean that you got to play with it carefully. Having said that, I find LVM a step (generation) above normal partitioning system. It can give lot of flexibility provided that is planned properly and in advance. In many cases I find users (not anyone particular), let's call 'click happy', and here I mean to say that people have taken it for granted that LVM will be a cake walk, It is if you know how you can play with it. LVM is not like a computer game where one plays and learns. Here, replay is very costly and that is causing lot of anguish among users. -- Anil Kumar Shrama [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1340 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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