submod tunable not working for me.. ?

submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Nate Beaty]

Perfect timing -- I just started a discussion list which needed  
subscription moderation! However, I cannot get it to work for the  
life of me.

I compiled the latest mlmmj and added a file "submod" with a single  
email to my control/ directory, and when I attempt to subscribe  
myself to the list, I first get the confirmation request via email,  
which I respond to, and then I get a Mail Delivery failure:

>   comix+confsub-2234c52a6b0c615d-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
>     local delivery failed

However, a file (subscribe1a39a8b053aabcec) is added to the  
moderation/ directory, and the temp file is removed from the subconf/  
directory.. yet the moderator email listed in "submod" never receives  
an email.

I tried having a blank file for "submod" and seeing if it would send  
a confirmation email to the "owner" email. I also tried adding a file  
"moderators" in the control/ directory with the single email I listed  
in "submod". Neither worked.

If I remove the "submod" file in control/, the confirmation email  
(like the one that gives the error above) works fine and the user is  
subscribed.

What am I doing wrong here? It looks like it's *almost* working.. but  
I get no emails to the email listed in "submod" to confirm.

Nate.

--
Clixel Design & Coding ~ http://clixel.com/

Re: submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Nate Beaty <natebeaty@gmail.com> [Sep 14. 2006 08:45]:
> Perfect timing -- I just started a discussion list which needed  
> subscription moderation! However, I cannot get it to work for the  
> life of me.
> 
> I compiled the latest mlmmj and added a file "submod" with a single  
> email to my control/ directory, and when I attempt to subscribe  
> myself to the list, I first get the confirmation request via email,  
> which I respond to, and then I get a Mail Delivery failure:
> 
> >  comix+confsub-2234c52a6b0c615d-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
> >    local delivery failed


This has nothing to do with subscriber moderation, since it's a
confirmation of subscription issue.

Subscriber moderation code doesn't kick in before after the subscriber
have acknowledged it's his/hers emailaddress.

What mailserver etc.? Did previous mlmmj versions work?

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Nate Beaty]

On Sep 14, 2006, at 2:20 AM, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

> This has nothing to do with subscriber moderation, since it's a
> confirmation of subscription issue.

I would agree except when I remove the submod tunable from control/,  
there is no Mail Delivery failure, and the user is able to confirm  
their subscription just fine.

> Subscriber moderation code doesn't kick in before after the subscriber
> have acknowledged it's his/hers emailaddress.

Well it seems mlmmj is getting the confirmation email, as it shows in  
Exim's log and the file is removed from subconf/ and a file is  
created in moderation/.

What is supposed to happen at that point? The email listed in submod  
(or owner if it's empty) gets a confirmation email much like the  
user's? And then the file disappears from moderation/ and the email  
is moved to subscribers.d/, correct?

> What mailserver etc.? Did previous mlmmj versions work?

Sorry, I meant to include that in my first email. I'm on an up-to- 
date Ubuntu Dapper box with Exim 4.60. I have been happily using  
mlmmj 1.2.11 for quite a few months now with announce-only lists.  
This is the first discussion list I've set up, and the owner asked  
for subscription moderation. I had previously been using the debian- 
packaged mlmmj, but compiled 1.2.12 for the submod capability.

My control/ dir:

 > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix/control$ la
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   7 2006-08-25 19:01 bouncelife
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 323 2006-08-25 19:02 customheaders
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 127 2006-08-25 19:01 footer
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  23 2006-08-25 19:01 listaddress
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  16 2006-09-13 23:18 moderators
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  16 2006-09-13 23:37 owner
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  12 2006-08-25 19:02 prefix
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  16 2006-09-13 23:24 submod
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   0 2006-08-25 19:01 subonlypost
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   0 2006-08-25 19:01 verp
 > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix/control$ more submod
nate@clixel.com

When I send a message to comix+subscribe@lists.clixel.com, I see in  
subconf/

 > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix$ la subconf
-rw------- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 19 2006-09-14 09:59  
c033b9b4a8ac676-natebeaty=gmail.com

I reply to the confirmation email, and this shows in moderation/

 > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix$ la moderation/
-rw------- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 31 2006-09-14 09:59  
subscribe5cda896c3c73687f

This is from my Exim mainlog:

2006-09-14 09:59:56 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US SA: Debug: SAEximRunCond expand  
returned: '1'
2006-09-14 09:59:56 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US SA: Debug: check succeeded,  
running spamc
2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US SA: Action: scanned but message  
isn't spam: score=-2.1 required=5.0 (scanned in 1/1 secs | Message- 
Id: 5792A5BF-5E42-4065-9E0A-7FEA4E108E24@gmail.com). From  
<natebeaty@gmail.com> (host=nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204])  
for comix+confsub-c033b9b4a8ac676-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US <= natebeaty@gmail.com H=nz- 
out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204] P=esmtp S'64  
idW92A5BF-5E42-4065-9E0A-7FEA4E108E24@gmail.com
2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US ** comix@lists.clixel.com <comix 
+confsub-c033b9b4a8ac676-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com>  
R=mlmmj_router T=mlmmj_transport: Child process of mlmmj_transport  
transport returned 1 from command: /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve
2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZB-0005po-9J SA: Debug: SAEximRunCond expand  
returned: '0'
2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZB-0005po-9J SA: Action: Not running SA  
because SAEximRunCond expanded to false (Message-Id:  
1GNuZB-0005po-9J). From <> (local) for natebeaty@gmail.com
2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZB-0005po-9J <= <> R=1GNuZ9-0005pg-US  
UÞbian-exim P=local S807
2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US Completed
2006-09-14 09:59:58 1GNuZB-0005po-9J => natebeaty@gmail.com  
R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [72.14.205.27]
2006-09-14 09:59:58 1GNuZB-0005po-9J Completed

I'm guessing this is important: "Child process of mlmmj_transport  
transport returned 1 from command: /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve" since I  
don't see it for confirmation on my other lists...

Any help much appreciated!

Thanks,
Nate.

--
Clixel Design & Coding ~ http://clixel.com/

Re: submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

Nate,

Thanks for catching this before 1.2.12 final!

* Nate Beaty <natebeaty@gmail.com> [Sep 14. 2006 19:28]:
> On Sep 14, 2006, at 2:20 AM, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
> 
> >This has nothing to do with subscriber moderation, since it's a
> >confirmation of subscription issue.
> 
> I would agree except when I remove the submod tunable from control/,  
> there is no Mail Delivery failure, and the user is able to confirm  
> their subscription just fine.

Hu, that does indeed sound weird.

> >Subscriber moderation code doesn't kick in before after the subscriber
> >have acknowledged it's his/hers emailaddress.
> 
> Well it seems mlmmj is getting the confirmation email, as it shows in  
> Exim's log and the file is removed from subconf/ and a file is  
> created in moderation/.
> 
> What is supposed to happen at that point? The email listed in submod  
> (or owner if it's empty) gets a confirmation email much like the  
> user's? And then the file disappears from moderation/ and the email  
> is moved to subscribers.d/, correct?
> 
> >What mailserver etc.? Did previous mlmmj versions work?
> 
> Sorry, I meant to include that in my first email. I'm on an up-to- 
> date Ubuntu Dapper box with Exim 4.60. I have been happily using  
> mlmmj 1.2.11 for quite a few months now with announce-only lists.  
> This is the first discussion list I've set up, and the owner asked  
> for subscription moderation. I had previously been using the debian- 
> packaged mlmmj, but compiled 1.2.12 for the submod capability.
> 
> My control/ dir:
> 
> > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix/control$ la
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   7 2006-08-25 19:01 bouncelife
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 323 2006-08-25 19:02 customheaders
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 127 2006-08-25 19:01 footer
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  23 2006-08-25 19:01 listaddress
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  16 2006-09-13 23:18 moderators
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  16 2006-09-13 23:37 owner
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  12 2006-08-25 19:02 prefix
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  16 2006-09-13 23:24 submod
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   0 2006-08-25 19:01 subonlypost
> -rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   0 2006-08-25 19:01 verp
> > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix/control$ more submod
> nate@clixel.com
> 
> When I send a message to comix+subscribe@lists.clixel.com, I see in  
> subconf/
> 
> > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix$ la subconf
> -rw------- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 19 2006-09-14 09:59  
> c033b9b4a8ac676-natebeaty=gmail.com
> 
> I reply to the confirmation email, and this shows in moderation/
> 
> > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix$ la moderation/
> -rw------- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 31 2006-09-14 09:59  
> subscribe5cda896c3c73687f
> 
> This is from my Exim mainlog:
> 
> 2006-09-14 09:59:56 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US SA: Debug: SAEximRunCond expand  
> returned: '1'
> 2006-09-14 09:59:56 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US SA: Debug: check succeeded,  
> running spamc
> 2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US SA: Action: scanned but message  
> isn't spam: score=-2.1 required=5.0 (scanned in 1/1 secs | Message- 
> Id: 5792A5BF-5E42-4065-9E0A-7FEA4E108E24@gmail.com). From  
> <natebeaty@gmail.com> (host=nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204])  
> for comix+confsub-c033b9b4a8ac676-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
> 2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US <= natebeaty@gmail.com H=nz- 
> out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204] P=esmtp S'64  
> idW92A5BF-5E42-4065-9E0A-7FEA4E108E24@gmail.com
> 2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US ** comix@lists.clixel.com <comix 
> +confsub-c033b9b4a8ac676-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com>  
> R=mlmmj_router T=mlmmj_transport: Child process of mlmmj_transport  
> transport returned 1 from command: /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve
> 2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZB-0005po-9J SA: Debug: SAEximRunCond expand  
> returned: '0'
> 2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZB-0005po-9J SA: Action: Not running SA  
> because SAEximRunCond expanded to false (Message-Id:  
> 1GNuZB-0005po-9J). From <> (local) for natebeaty@gmail.com
> 2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZB-0005po-9J <= <> R=1GNuZ9-0005pg-US  
> UÞbian-exim P=local S807
> 2006-09-14 09:59:57 1GNuZ9-0005pg-US Completed
> 2006-09-14 09:59:58 1GNuZB-0005po-9J => natebeaty@gmail.com  
> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [72.14.205.27]
> 2006-09-14 09:59:58 1GNuZB-0005po-9J Completed
> 
> I'm guessing this is important: "Child process of mlmmj_transport  
> transport returned 1 from command: /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve" since I  
> don't see it for confirmation on my other lists...

Hmmm, I wonder why it would return 1 and not report anything in the
logs... weird indeed.

It's the exact same with an empty submod file, but something in owner
instead?

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Nate Beaty]

On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

> Hmmm, I wonder why it would return 1 and not report anything in the
> logs... weird indeed.

The Exim log, correct?

> It's the exact same with an empty submod file, but something in owner
> instead?

Yep. My control dir:

 > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix$ la control
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   7 2006-08-25 19:01 bouncelife
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 323 2006-08-25 19:02 customheaders
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 127 2006-08-25 19:01 footer
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  23 2006-08-25 19:01 listaddress
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  16 2006-09-13 23:37 owner
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim  12 2006-08-25 19:02 prefix
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   0 2006-09-14 11:33 submod
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   0 2006-08-25 19:01 subonlypost
-rw-r--r-- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim   0 2006-08-25 19:01 verp

 > /var/spool/mlmmj/comix$ more control/owner
nate@clixel.com

And the same thing happens -- I get a bounce msg, but the file is  
removed from subconf/ and one created in moderation/ (and no email to  
"owner")

2006-09-14 11:36:46 1GNw4r-0007gb-V5 SA: Debug: SAEximRunCond expand  
returned: '1'
2006-09-14 11:36:46 1GNw4r-0007gb-V5 SA: Debug: check succeeded,  
running spamc
2006-09-14 11:36:47 1GNw4r-0007gb-V5 SA: Action: scanned but message  
isn't spam: score=-2.1 required=5.0 (scanned in 1/1 secs | Message- 
Id: 000AAB1C-88EF-43B0-8952-1168F9E033A1@gmail.com). From  
<natebeaty@gmail.com> (host=nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.202])  
for comix+confsub-3b83c7304630f9c1-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
2006-09-14 11:36:47 1GNw4r-0007gb-V5 <= natebeaty@gmail.com H=nz- 
out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.202] P=esmtp S'69  
id\00AAB1C-88EF-43B0-8952-1168F9E033A1@gmail.com
2006-09-14 11:36:47 1GNw4r-0007gb-V5 ** comix@lists.clixel.com <comix 
+confsub-3b83c7304630f9c1-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com>  
R=mlmmj_router T=mlmmj_transport: Child process of mlmmj_transport  
transport returned 1 from command: /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve

And the bounce msg:

> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es)  
> failed:
>
>   comix+confsub-3b83c7304630f9c1-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
>     local delivery failed
>
> ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers.  
> ------
>
> Return-path: <natebeaty@gmail.com>
> Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.202])
> 	by mail.clixel.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
> 	(envelope-from <natebeaty@gmail.com>)
> 	id 1GNw4r-0007gb-V5
> 	for comix+confsub-3b83c7304630f9c1- 
> natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:36:47 -0700
> Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 4so1250017nzn
>         for <comix+confsub-3b83c7304630f9c1- 
> natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com>; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:43:09  
> -0700 (PDT)
> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
>         s¾ta; d=gmail.com;
>         h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content- 
> type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x- 
> mailer;
>         b=IFA9G/tbR 
> +udjUFJSKBM6KO6ZT5wLpG7YLfSyICLWRNWUVY4orSDT5HAUEN2WVHhFJSUzDiFRfSzMAw 
> MjO2AdTLUTo7eXOYD/V0pzEJeRYFztM 
> +ULAgz3X87jXz6DauLN0SY3ylCx0S4nf3w5339FUZMMi7nhe0XUV9EJERz54M> Received: by 10.65.112.5 with SMTP id p5mr11160788qbm;
>         Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:43:08 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from ?192.168.0.16? ( [63.105.22.58])
>         by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e11sm1393584qbc. 
> 2006.09.14.11.43.08;
>         Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:43:08 -0700 (PDT)
> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2)
> In-Reply-To: <1158258829-25987b96-mlmmj-6c66daf9@2721aabb.plonk>
> References: <1158258829-25987b96-mlmmj-6c66daf9@2721aabb.plonk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> Message-Id: <000AAB1C-88EF-43B0-8952-1168F9E033A1@gmail.com>
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> From: Nate Beaty <natebeaty@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:43:04 -0700
> To: comix+confsub-3b83c7304630f9c1- 
> natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2)
> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 64.233.162.202
> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: natebeaty@gmail.com
> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on  
> mail.clixel.com
> X-Spam-Level:
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00  
> autolearn=ham
> 	version=3.1.0
> Subject: Re: Confirm subscription to comix@lists.clixel.com
> X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:52:54 +0000)
> X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.clixel.com)
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:33 AM, comix+help@lists.clixel.com wrote:
>
>
>> Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
>>
>> comix@lists.clixel.com
>>
>> To confirm you want the address
>>
>> natebeaty@gmail.com
>>
>> added to this list, please send a reply to
>>
>> comix+confsub-3b83c7304630f9c1-natebeaty=gmail.com@lists.clixel.com
>>
>> This confirmation serves two purposes. It tests that mail can be
>> sent to
>> your address. Secondly it makes sure someone else did not try and
>> subscribe your emailaddress without your permission.
>>
>> Your mailer may automatically reply to the confirmation address
>> when you hit
>> the reply button.
>>
>> The subject and the body of the mail can be anything.

Thanks again!

Nate.

--
Clixel Design & Coding ~ http://clixel.com/

Re: submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Nate Beaty <natebeaty@gmail.com> [Sep 14. 2006 20:52]:
> On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
> 
> >Hmmm, I wonder why it would return 1 and not report anything in the
> >logs... weird indeed.
> 
> The Exim log, correct?

Yes, where you get the error messages from mlmmj in general.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [Sep 14. 2006 23:00]:
> * Nate Beaty <natebeaty@gmail.com> [Sep 14. 2006 20:52]:
> > On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
> > 
> > >Hmmm, I wonder why it would return 1 and not report anything in the
> > >logs... weird indeed.
> > 
> > The Exim log, correct?
> 
> Yes, where you get the error messages from mlmmj in general.

I wonder why this works on postfix but not exim...

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: submod tunable not working for me.. ?

[Nate Beaty]

On Sep 15, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

> * Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [Sep 14. 2006 23:00]:
>> * Nate Beaty <natebeaty@gmail.com> [Sep 14. 2006 20:52]:
>>> On Sep 14, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm, I wonder why it would return 1 and not report anything in the
>>>> logs... weird indeed.
>>>
>>> The Exim log, correct?
>>
>> Yes, where you get the error messages from mlmmj in general.
>
> I wonder why this works on postfix but not exim...

Have any other Exim users tried the submod functionality? Perhaps  
it's my settings somehow -- I did have trouble with local users when  
I first installed mlmmj. ( http://mlmmj.mmj.dk/archive/0788.html )

It's just strange that when I remove submod from control/ I can  
respond to the confirmation messages without any problems. So it  
seems the problem it must be in the area after the user confirms his/ 
her email and it moves on to send a msg to the owner or email listed  
in submod. I am unfamiliar with C, so I am unable to troubleshoot the  
code at all.

Nate.

--
Clixel Design & Coding ~ http://clixel.com/