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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: David Wagner <daw-usenet@taverner.cs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC mmaps
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:51:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060927115134.GC4296@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ef9i4q$emc$1@taverner.cs.berkeley.edu>

Hi

On Mon 25-09-06 21:36:26, David Wagner wrote:
> Pavel Machek  wrote:
> >> I'm curious about this, too.  ld-linux.so is a purely unprivileged
> >> program.  It isn't setuid root.  Can you write a variant of ld-linux.so
> >> that reads an executable into memory off of a partition mounted noexec and
> >> then begins executing that code?  (perhaps by using anonymous mmap
> >> with
> >
> >Yes, you can, but to execute your ld-linux-ignore-noexec.so variant,
> >you need to put it somewhere with exec permissions, right?
> 
> Well, yes, if you write it as a binary executable -- but not if you're
> more clever.  For instance, you can write a ld-linux-ignore-noexec.so.pl
> Perl script, store the Perl script on the noexec partition, and execute
> it via "/usr/bin/perl ld-linux-ignore-noexec.so.pl" (since I think
> Perl scripts can execute all of the system calls you'd need to use to
> write your own loader, since it's pretty well guaranteed that /usr/bin
> will live on a partition that is not marked noexec).  Note that Perl

Ok, you are right. For noexec to be effective, interpretters need to
be well-behaved, and perl is not. Maybe we should forget about
noexec, and maybe we should fix perl, I do not know.
-- 
Thanks for all the (sleeping) penguins.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-27 11:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-23 10:30 [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC mmaps Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 15:16 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-23 15:36   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-09-23 15:47     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-25  1:12       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-25  4:35         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 15:42   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 16:04     ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-23 16:38       ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 18:58       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-24  6:55         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24  9:17           ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-24 10:00             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 13:53           ` Alan Cox
2006-09-24 14:54             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 15:48               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-09-24 16:31                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 16:49                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-09-24 17:04                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 18:09                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 19:14                       ` David Wagner
2006-09-24 19:37                         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-09-24 22:49                           ` David Wagner
2006-09-25 10:53                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-25 21:36                           ` David Wagner
2006-09-27 11:51                             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-09-24 20:06                       ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-09-24 20:22                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 23:04                         ` David Wagner
2006-09-26 19:46                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-27 22:33                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-27 23:10                         ` David Wagner
2006-09-27 23:38                           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-09-29  1:14                             ` David Wagner
2006-09-28  4:52                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-30  9:42                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 15:01                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-03 17:15                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 17:23                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-03 18:06                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 19:19                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-03 19:40                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 19:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-04 19:36                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-04 21:31                                           ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  3:11                                     ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  3:51                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-04  4:21                                         ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  6:03                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-10-04 17:30                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-03 18:23                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-03 18:40                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 18:42                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-03 19:07                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 21:00                                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-10-04 19:06                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-06 18:09                                           ` [patch] honour MNT_NOEXEC for access() Stas Sergeev
2006-10-06 21:34                                             ` Alan Cox
2006-10-06 21:17                                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-07 11:19                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-07 15:00                                                   ` David Wagner
2006-10-07 16:31                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-07 19:14                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-07 19:36                                                       ` David Wagner
2006-10-08  8:32                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-08  9:11                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-08 10:55                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-08 13:46                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-09  2:09                                                           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-10-09  4:40                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-07 13:18                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-08  0:30                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-10-08  9:10                                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-08  9:56                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-10-08 10:36                                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-08 10:39                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-08 13:22                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-06 22:26                                             ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-04 19:30                                         ` [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC mmaps Stas Sergeev
2006-10-04  3:20                                       ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  3:17                               ` David Wagner
2006-10-04 13:41                                 ` Jeff Dike
2006-10-04 18:02                               ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-04 19:48                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-27 19:16                     ` [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC MAP_PRIVATE mmaps Stas Sergeev
2006-09-27 20:05                       ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-28  4:33                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-28 16:42                           ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-29  1:41                             ` David Wagner
2006-09-29 20:50                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-29 16:54                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 19:59                   ` [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC mmaps Alan Cox
2006-09-24 20:07                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24  0:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-25 17:17   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-25 17:43   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-25 20:12   ` David Wagner

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