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From: Stas Sergeev <stsp@aknet.ru>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] honour MNT_NOEXEC for access()
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:36:07 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4528D497.20904@aknet.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4528CB5B.1020807@goop.org>

Hi.

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> What if the currently-unused MAP_EXECUTABLE flag became a
>> way for the program to express that it needs an exec perm,
>> and so the mmap should fail if there is none? I think ld.so
>> will be happy using such a flag...
> Yes, but it doesn't solve the fact that there isn't really anything 
> special about ld.so, so putting special checks into it doesn't really 
But this is not the checks - just a flag, MAP_EXECUTABLE, which
may mean that the exec perms are required.
Currently there is no way for the program to express that
explicitly (if only by the use of the mprotect call), so
why not to add one?

> Also, I guess there's the general question of what the noexec mount flag 
> really means?  Does it mean "make the execve syscall fail", or does it 
> mean "no bits on this filesystem may be interpreted as instructions".  
Since PROT_EXEC doesn't require an exec perm on file, I don't
see why "noexec" should be special.

> The former is simple to implement, but probably not very useful; the 
It can be usefull if you put it on all the user-writable
mounts of yours - then someone can't easily exec his exploit.

> latter is not possible to implement in general.
At least without selinux - yes, so my question was why to
even add the hacks.


  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-08 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-23 10:30 [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC mmaps Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 15:16 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-23 15:36   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-09-23 15:47     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-25  1:12       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-25  4:35         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 15:42   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 16:04     ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-23 16:38       ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-23 18:58       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-24  6:55         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24  9:17           ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-24 10:00             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 13:53           ` Alan Cox
2006-09-24 14:54             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 15:48               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-09-24 16:31                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 16:49                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-09-24 17:04                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 18:09                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 19:14                       ` David Wagner
2006-09-24 19:37                         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-09-24 22:49                           ` David Wagner
2006-09-25 10:53                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-25 21:36                           ` David Wagner
2006-09-27 11:51                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-24 20:06                       ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-09-24 20:22                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 23:04                         ` David Wagner
2006-09-26 19:46                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-27 22:33                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-27 23:10                         ` David Wagner
2006-09-27 23:38                           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-09-29  1:14                             ` David Wagner
2006-09-28  4:52                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-30  9:42                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 15:01                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-03 17:15                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 17:23                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-03 18:06                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 19:19                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-03 19:40                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 19:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-04 19:36                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-04 21:31                                           ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  3:11                                     ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  3:51                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-04  4:21                                         ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  6:03                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-10-04 17:30                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-03 18:23                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-03 18:40                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 18:42                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-03 19:07                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-03 21:00                                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-10-04 19:06                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-06 18:09                                           ` [patch] honour MNT_NOEXEC for access() Stas Sergeev
2006-10-06 21:34                                             ` Alan Cox
2006-10-06 21:17                                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-07 11:19                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-07 15:00                                                   ` David Wagner
2006-10-07 16:31                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-10-07 19:14                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-07 19:36                                                       ` David Wagner
2006-10-08  8:32                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-08  9:11                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-08 10:55                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-08 13:46                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-09  2:09                                                           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-10-09  4:40                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-07 13:18                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-08  0:30                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-10-08  9:10                                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-08  9:56                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-10-08 10:36                                                       ` Stas Sergeev [this message]
2006-10-08 10:39                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-08 13:22                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-10-06 22:26                                             ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-04 19:30                                         ` [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC mmaps Stas Sergeev
2006-10-04  3:20                                       ` David Wagner
2006-10-04  3:17                               ` David Wagner
2006-10-04 13:41                                 ` Jeff Dike
2006-10-04 18:02                               ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-04 19:48                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-27 19:16                     ` [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC MAP_PRIVATE mmaps Stas Sergeev
2006-09-27 20:05                       ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-28  4:33                         ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-28 16:42                           ` Hugh Dickins
2006-09-29  1:41                             ` David Wagner
2006-09-29 20:50                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-29 16:54                             ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24 19:59                   ` [patch] remove MNT_NOEXEC check for PROT_EXEC mmaps Alan Cox
2006-09-24 20:07                     ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-24  0:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-25 17:17   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-25 17:43   ` Stas Sergeev
2006-09-25 20:12   ` David Wagner

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