From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
aubreylee@gmail.com, svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org,
Michael.Hennerich@analog.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Limit the size of the pagecache
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:29:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070126022955.f9b6b11f.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070124141510.7775829c.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:15:10 +0900
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> - One for stability
> When a customer constructs their detabase(Oracle), the system often goes to oom.
> This is because that the system cannot allocate DMA_ZOME memory for 32bit device.
> (USB or e100)
> Not allowing to use almost all pages as page cache (for temporal use) will be some help.
> (Note: construction DB on ext3....so all writes are serialized and the system couldn't
> free page cache.)
I'm surprised that any reasonable driver has a dependency on ZONE_DMA. Are
you sure? Send full oom-killer output, please.
> - One for tuing.
> Sometimes our cutomer requests us to limit size of page-cache.
>
> Many cutomers's memory usage reaches 99.x%. (this is very common situation.)
> If almost all memories are used by page-cache, and we can think we can free it.
> But the customer cannot estimate what amount of page-cache can be freed (without
> perfromance regression).
>
> When a cutomer wants to add a new application, he tunes the system.
> But memory usage is always 99%.
> page-cache limitation is useful when the customer tunes his system and find
> sets of data and page-cache.
> (Of course, we can use some other complicated resource management system for this.)
> This will allow the users to decide that they need extra memory or not.
>
> And...some customers want to keep memory Free as much as possible.
> 99% memory usage makes insecure them ;)
Tell them to do "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches", then wait three minutes?
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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
aubreylee@gmail.com, svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org,
Michael.Hennerich@analog.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Limit the size of the pagecache
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:29:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070126022955.f9b6b11f.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070124141510.7775829c.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:15:10 +0900
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> - One for stability
> When a customer constructs their detabase(Oracle), the system often goes to oom.
> This is because that the system cannot allocate DMA_ZOME memory for 32bit device.
> (USB or e100)
> Not allowing to use almost all pages as page cache (for temporal use) will be some help.
> (Note: construction DB on ext3....so all writes are serialized and the system couldn't
> free page cache.)
I'm surprised that any reasonable driver has a dependency on ZONE_DMA. Are
you sure? Send full oom-killer output, please.
> - One for tuing.
> Sometimes our cutomer requests us to limit size of page-cache.
>
> Many cutomers's memory usage reaches 99.x%. (this is very common situation.)
> If almost all memories are used by page-cache, and we can think we can free it.
> But the customer cannot estimate what amount of page-cache can be freed (without
> perfromance regression).
>
> When a cutomer wants to add a new application, he tunes the system.
> But memory usage is always 99%.
> page-cache limitation is useful when the customer tunes his system and find
> sets of data and page-cache.
> (Of course, we can use some other complicated resource management system for this.)
> This will allow the users to decide that they need extra memory or not.
>
> And...some customers want to keep memory Free as much as possible.
> 99% memory usage makes insecure them ;)
Tell them to do "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches", then wait three minutes?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-26 10:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-24 0:49 [RFC] Limit the size of the pagecache Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 0:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 2:53 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24 2:53 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24 3:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 3:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 5:47 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 5:47 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 3:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 3:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 3:51 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 3:51 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 4:03 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 4:03 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-26 10:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 10:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-24 3:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24 3:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24 4:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 4:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 5:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24 5:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 0:32 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 0:32 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 2:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25 2:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25 3:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 3:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 4:28 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 4:28 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 5:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 5:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 5:40 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 5:40 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 6:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25 6:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-26 10:29 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-01-26 10:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 18:01 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-26 18:01 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24 7:04 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 7:04 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 7:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 7:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 12:50 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 12:50 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 12:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 12:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 14:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 14:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 20:06 ` Erik Andersen
2007-01-24 20:06 ` Erik Andersen
2007-01-25 2:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25 2:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25 8:07 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 8:07 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:22 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 14:22 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-25 2:27 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-25 2:27 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 12:33 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 12:33 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 14:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25 4:17 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 4:17 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 4:45 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 4:45 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 5:49 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 5:49 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 16:07 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 16:07 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 17:57 ` Balbir Singh
2007-01-25 17:57 ` Balbir Singh
2007-01-25 6:35 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-25 6:35 ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-25 6:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25 6:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25 7:49 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 7:49 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 4:18 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 4:18 ` Rik van Riel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-25 6:42 Al Boldi
2007-01-25 8:24 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 10:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-25 11:23 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 11:57 ` Al Boldi
2007-01-25 11:57 ` Al Boldi
2007-01-25 18:37 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
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2007-01-25 14:51 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-01-25 14:51 ` Bodo Eggert
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