From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:04:30 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070309210430.GA14905@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703091137340.10832@woody.linux-foundation.org>
* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> So please
>
> - point out things that are badly done. [...]
the thing badly done is fundamental and it trumps any other small
technological detail complaint i have, because it affects the
development and maintainance model: to promise backwards compatibility
to 4-5 different hypervisors, using separate ABIs for each. /One/ such
ABI would be complex enough to maintain IMO.
( if there is no backwards compatibility promise then i have zero
complaints: then paravirt_ops + the hypercall just becomes another API
internal to Linux that we can improve at will. But that is not
realistic: if we provide CONFIG_VMI today, people will expect to have
CONFIG_VMI in the future too. )
as i said in the very, very first email about this topic: /one/ new ABI
towards hypervisors should be introduced step by step, and via concensus
across hypervisors. We should treat the hypercall ABI very similar to
the system call ABI: the system call ABI is largely based on a concensus
between applications.
[ i think apic_write() granularity is bad too - but that is a small
technical issue, dwarved by the ABI issues that impact the development
model IMO. ]
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-09 21:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-09 18:02 ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 18:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-09 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 19:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 21:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 21:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 22:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:07 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 23:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:38 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 21:04 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-03-09 21:27 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 21:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:30 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:10 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 22:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 23:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:46 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 23:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:13 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-09 20:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-09 22:50 ` Lee Revell
2007-03-14 8:41 ` alsa was " Pavel Machek
2007-03-14 15:59 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2007-03-15 9:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15 9:10 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15 9:23 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-15 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 19:00 ` Chris Wright
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