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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:12:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070309221233.GA24341@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F1D8D7.9040207@goop.org>


* Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org> wrote:

> Now it may be that you've got a change that's absolutely great for 
> everyone, and the only blocker is that the FoobieVisor can't deal with 
> it.  OK, great, then you'd have a point.

yep. That's precisely my worry. And it doesnt have to be a 'great' thing 
- just any random small change in the kernel that makes sense: what is 
the likelyhood that it cannot be implemented, no matter what amount of 
insight, paravirt_ops + hyper-ABI emulation hackery, for FoobieVisor, 
because FoobieVisor messed up its ABI.

that likelyhood is a pure function of how FoobieVisor's hypercall ABI is 
shaped. Wow! So can you guess where my fixation about not having too 
many ABIs could possibly originate from? ;-)

Until today everyone on the hypervisor side of the argument pretended 
that paravirt_ops solves all problems and acted stupid when i said an 
ABI is an ABI is an ABI, and that "backwards compatibility" does have 
some technological consequences. _Now_ at least i've got this minimal 
admission that FoobieVisor _might_ break. Quite a breakthrough =B-)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-09 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-09 18:02 ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 18:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-09 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 19:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 19:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 20:12       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:05         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 21:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 21:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:40             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 22:50               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:07               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 23:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:38               ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 21:04       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:27         ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 21:47           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:59             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:12               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-03-09 22:30                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:10             ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 22:24               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:36                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 23:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:46                 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 23:02                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:13                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-09 20:50     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-09 22:50       ` Lee Revell
2007-03-14  8:41         ` alsa was " Pavel Machek
2007-03-14 15:59           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2007-03-15  9:03             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15  9:10               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15  9:23                 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-15  9:32                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 19:00 ` Chris Wright

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