From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:36:16 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45F1E160.1090608@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070309222435.GB24341@elte.hu>
Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ok, sure, how about the one i mentioned: long-term i'd like to have a
> paravirt model where the guest does not store /any/ page tables - all
> paging is managed by the hypervisor. The guest has a vma tree, but
> otherwise it does not process pagefaults, has no concept of a pte (if in
> paravirt mode), has no concept of kernel page tables either: there are
> hypercalls to allocate/free guest-kernel memory, etc. This needs some
> (serious) MM surgery but it's doable and it's interesting as well. How
> would you map this to the VMI backend?
You wouldn't. Why would you? It might be a useful interface - and its
the perfect kind of high-level interface for pv_ops. It might be worth
adapting a hypervisor to suit it, but you still need to support the
i386's pagetables. So, you present the pv_ops interface with your
vma-based mappings, and it runs it through the vma->pagetable
translation layer to feed into either the i386 pagetables directly, or
to a hypervisor's page-based interface.
The important part is that there's more to the story than just pv_ops.
If you wanted to make such a change, then you'd need to refactor the
i386 support code to add a vma->paging helper layer. That layer would
be available for any pv_ops interface to use if it wishes.
(Remember, in the pv_ops model, bare hardware is a "hypervisor" too.)
Next problem?
J
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-09 22:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-09 18:02 ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 18:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-09 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 19:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 21:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 21:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 22:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:07 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 23:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:38 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 21:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:27 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 21:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:30 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:10 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 22:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2007-03-09 23:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:46 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 23:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:13 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-09 20:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-09 22:50 ` Lee Revell
2007-03-14 8:41 ` alsa was " Pavel Machek
2007-03-14 15:59 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2007-03-15 9:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15 9:10 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15 9:23 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-15 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 19:00 ` Chris Wright
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