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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RSDL-mm 0/7] RSDL cpu scheduler for 2.6.21-rc3-mm2
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:10:05 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703130510.05588.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120808110.9690@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Tuesday 13 March 2007 02:26, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 22:23 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > Mike the cpu is being proportioned out perfectly according to fairness
> > > as I mentioned in the prior email, yet X is getting the lower latency
> > > scheduling. I'm not sure within the bounds of fairness what more would
> > > you have happen to your liking with this test case?
> >
> > It has been said that "perfection is the enemy of good".  The two
> > interactive tasks receiving 40% cpu while two niced background jobs
> > receive 60% may well be perfect, but it's damn sure not good.
>
> Well, the real problem is really "server that works on behalf of somebody
> else".
>
> X is just the worst *practical* example of this, since not only is it the
> most common such server, it's also a case where people see interactive
> issues really easily.
>
> And the problem is that a lot of clients actually end up doing *more* in
> the X server than they do themselves directly. Doing things like showing a
> line of text on the screen is a lot more expensive than just keeping track
> of that line of text, so you end up with the X server easily being marked
> as getting "too much" CPU time, and the clients as being starved for CPU
> time. And then you get bad interactive behaviour.
>
> So "good fairness" really should involve some notion of "work done for
> others". It's just not very easy to do..

Instead of assuming it's bad, have you tried RSDL for yourself? Mike is using 
2 lame threads for his test case.

-- 
-ck

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-12 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-11  3:57 [PATCH][RSDL-mm 0/7] RSDL cpu scheduler for 2.6.21-rc3-mm2 Con Kolivas
2007-03-11 11:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-11 11:48   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-11 12:08     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-11 12:10   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-11 12:20     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-11 21:18       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12  7:22     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12  7:48       ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12  8:29         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12  8:55           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12  9:22             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12  9:38               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12 10:27                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 10:57                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12 11:08                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-12 11:23                       ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 13:48                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-12 18:09                           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 14:34                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12 15:26                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-12 18:10                             ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2007-03-12 19:36                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-12 20:36                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13  4:17                             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-03-13  8:09                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-12 18:49                           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 19:06                             ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-13 17:21                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-03-12 20:11                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12 20:38                               ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 20:45                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12 22:51                                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13  5:10                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13  5:53                                       ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13  6:08                                         ` [ck] " Rodney Gordon II
2007-03-13  6:17                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13  7:53                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13  8:22                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-13  8:18                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-13  8:22                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13  9:21                                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13  9:29                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-13  9:41                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 10:50                                               ` Bill Huey
2007-03-13  9:31                                           ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 10:24                                             ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-13 23:19                                               ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2007-03-13  9:33                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13  9:39                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-13 10:06                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 11:23                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13 11:41                                                 ` Serge Belyshev
2007-03-13 11:46                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13 15:36                                                   ` John Stoffel
2007-03-13 14:17                                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-13 15:15                                         ` David Schwartz
2007-03-13 17:59                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-13 19:58                                             ` David Schwartz
2007-03-13 20:10                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-13 20:35                                                 ` Bill Huey
2007-03-13 20:27                                               ` Bill Huey
2007-03-16 16:42                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-12 23:43                                   ` David Lang
2007-03-13  2:23                                     ` Lee Revell
2007-03-13  6:00                                       ` David Lang
2007-03-12 21:34                                 ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-12 21:38                                 ` michael chang
2007-03-13  0:09                                   ` Thibaut VARENE
2007-03-13  6:08                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-13  6:16                                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13  6:30                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12 20:42                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-12 21:05                               ` Serge Belyshev
2007-03-12 21:41                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12 11:25                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-12  9:38               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-12 10:34                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 16:38                   ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-14  2:25                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-03-14  3:25                       ` Gabriel C
2007-03-14  9:44                         ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-12  8:44         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-11 14:32   ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-12  6:58     ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-12 11:16       ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-12 11:49         ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-12 11:58           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 16:38             ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-12 18:34               ` Gene Heskett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-03-12 19:53 Al Boldi

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