From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Dmitry Krivoschekov <dmitry.krivoschekov@gmail.com>
Cc: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
linux-pm@lists.osdl.org
Subject: Re: Alternative Concept
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:07:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703200107.17290.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45FF24C3.1000203@gmail.com>
On Monday 19 March 2007 5:03 pm, Dmitry Krivoschekov wrote:
> David Brownell wrote:
> > On Sunday 18 March 2007 1:25 pm, Dmitry Krivoschekov wrote:
> >>
> >> Sometimes it's quite reasonable to make decisions (or policy)
> >> at the low level, without exposing events to higher layers,
> >
> > Of course. Any layer can incorporate a degree of policy.
>
> But users should be able to choose to use or do not use the incorporated
> policy, shouldn't they?
Sometimes. What's a user? Do you really expect every single
algorithm choice to be packaged as a pluggable policy? Any
time I've seen systems designed that way, those pluggabilty
hooks have been a major drag on performance and maintainability.
Most components don't actually _need_ a choice of policies.
> > It's only when that's badly done -- or the problem is so complex
> > that multiple policies need to be supported -- that you need to
> > pull out that old "mechanism not policy" chestnut, and support
> > some kind of policy switching mechanism (governors, userspace
> > agents, etc) for different application domains.
> >
> >
> >> e.g. turning a clock off when reference counter gets zero, this is
> >> what OMAP's clock framework currently does.
> >
> > There are no choices to be made in that layer; it's no more "policy"
> > than following the laws of arithmetic is "policy". Software clock
>
> there is some principle: "turn the clock off when use counter reaches
> zero", so it is a policy, and a choice is to disable or not to disable
> an output clock, it is the simplest case but it's certainly a policy.
That's not a choice; it's how the API is defined. It's not "policy".
Arithmetic is defined so that 2 + 2 == 4. Should we have a "policy"
allowing it to == 5 instead? Or should we just accept that as how
things are defined, and move on?
At some point, decisions are just ground rules, and not policy.
- Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-20 8:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-24 1:23 [RFC] CPUFreq PowerOP integration, Intro 0/3 Eugeny S. Mints
2006-10-07 2:36 ` Alternative Concept [Was: Re: [RFC] CPUFreq PowerOP integration, Intro 0/3] Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-07 3:15 ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-08 7:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-12 15:38 ` Mark Gross
2006-10-12 16:02 ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-16 21:56 ` Mark Gross
2006-10-17 21:40 ` Matthew Locke
2006-10-12 16:48 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-12 17:12 ` Vitaly Wool
2006-10-12 17:23 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-09 18:21 ` Mark Gross
2006-10-26 3:06 ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-10-12 22:43 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2006-10-13 10:55 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-16 21:44 ` Mark Gross
2006-10-17 8:26 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-26 3:05 ` Dominik Brodowski
2007-03-13 0:57 ` Alternative Concept Matthew Locke
2007-03-13 11:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-13 20:34 ` Mark Gross
2007-03-14 2:30 ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-14 10:43 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-14 17:19 ` David Brownell
2007-03-14 18:12 ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-14 18:45 ` David Brownell
2007-03-15 9:53 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 13:04 ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-16 2:21 ` David Brownell
2007-03-16 3:56 ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-16 6:17 ` David Brownell
2007-03-19 2:27 ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-19 6:07 ` David Brownell
2007-03-16 13:06 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-16 18:03 ` David Brownell
2007-03-18 20:25 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-19 4:04 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 0:03 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 8:07 ` David Brownell [this message]
2007-03-20 9:45 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 10:30 ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 12:13 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-20 12:39 ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 13:44 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 21:03 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 13:07 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 13:52 ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 14:58 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 15:36 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 19:16 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 20:45 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 22:04 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 22:06 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-20 23:29 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 15:36 ` Igor Stoppa
2007-03-20 19:17 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 20:17 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 20:21 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 19:58 ` David Brownell
2007-03-24 0:47 ` charging batteries from USB [was: Re: Alternative Concept] Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-24 1:17 ` David Brownell
2007-03-24 1:48 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-24 2:35 ` David Brownell
2007-03-24 10:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-24 8:36 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-14 3:19 ` Alternative Concept Dominik Brodowski
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-03-14 22:08 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-14 23:23 ` David Brownell
2007-03-15 7:25 ` Ikhwan Lee
2007-03-15 8:14 ` Amit Kucheria
2007-03-15 10:55 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 10:46 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 10:33 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 13:21 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-15 13:29 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-15 23:07 ` David Brownell
2007-03-15 14:00 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-15 14:38 ` Eugeny S. Mints
2007-03-15 17:33 ` Woodruff, Richard
2007-03-19 14:12 Scott E. Preece
2007-03-20 7:56 ` David Brownell
2007-03-20 14:26 ` Amit Kucheria
2007-03-20 15:08 ` Dmitry Krivoschekov
2007-03-20 17:04 ` David Brownell
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