From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Cherwin R. Nooitmeer" <cherwin@gmail.com>,
Kristian H?gsberg <krh@bitplanet.net>,
Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>,
Robert@smtp2.linux-foundation.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Andrey@smtp2.linux-foundation.org,
linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
de Rooy <robert.de.rooy@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
Michal Piotrowski <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>,
linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org,
Marcus Better <marcus@better.se>,
Greg@smtp2.linux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Christoph@smtp2.linux-foundation.org,
Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Stefan
Subject: Re: [2/3] 2.6.22-rc2: known regressions v2
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:03:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070525180304.2cc4dae0@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0705250937550.26602@woody.linux-foundation.org>
> Disk dumps etc are options at things like wall street. But look at the bug
> reports, and ask yourself how many of them happen at Wall Street, and how
> many of them would even be _relevant_ to somebody there?
There is an additional factor - dumps contain data which variously is -
copyright third parties, protected by privacy laws, just personally
private, security sensitive (eg browser history) and so on.
The only reasons you can get dumps back in the hands of vendors is
because there are strong formal agreements controlling where they go and
what is done with them.
Diskdump (and even more so netdump) are useful in the hands of a
developer crashing their own box just like kgdb, but not in the the
normal and rational end user response of "its broken, hit reset"
Alan
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Cherwin R. Nooitmeer" <cherwin@gmail.com>,
Kristian H?gsberg <krh@bitplanet.net>,
Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>,
Robert@smtp2.linux-foundation.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Andrey@smtp2.linux-foundation.org,
linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
de Rooy <robert.de.rooy@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
Michal Piotrowski <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>,
linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org,
Marcus Better <marcus@better.se>,
Greg@smtp2.linux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Christoph@smtp2.linux-foundation.org,
Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Stefan
Subject: Re: [2/3] 2.6.22-rc2: known regressions v2
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:03:04 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070525180304.2cc4dae0@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0705250937550.26602@woody.linux-foundation.org>
> Disk dumps etc are options at things like wall street. But look at the bug
> reports, and ask yourself how many of them happen at Wall Street, and how
> many of them would even be _relevant_ to somebody there?
There is an additional factor - dumps contain data which variously is -
copyright third parties, protected by privacy laws, just personally
private, security sensitive (eg browser history) and so on.
The only reasons you can get dumps back in the hands of vendors is
because there are strong formal agreements controlling where they go and
what is done with them.
Diskdump (and even more so netdump) are useful in the hands of a
developer crashing their own box just like kgdb, but not in the the
normal and rational end user response of "its broken, hit reset"
Alan
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Chris Newport <crn@netunix.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
Michal Piotrowski <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Cherwin R. Nooitmeer" <cherwin@gmail.com>,
linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org,
Robert de Rooy <robert.de.rooy@gmail.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>,
linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
Kristian H?gsberg <krh@bitplanet.net>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Marcus Better <marcus@better.se>,
Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar@mail.ru>,
linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [2/3] 2.6.22-rc2: known regressions v2
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:03:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070525180304.2cc4dae0@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0705250937550.26602@woody.linux-foundation.org>
> Disk dumps etc are options at things like wall street. But look at the bug
> reports, and ask yourself how many of them happen at Wall Street, and how
> many of them would even be _relevant_ to somebody there?
There is an additional factor - dumps contain data which variously is -
copyright third parties, protected by privacy laws, just personally
private, security sensitive (eg browser history) and so on.
The only reasons you can get dumps back in the hands of vendors is
because there are strong formal agreements controlling where they go and
what is done with them.
Diskdump (and even more so netdump) are useful in the hands of a
developer crashing their own box just like kgdb, but not in the the
normal and rational end user response of "its broken, hit reset"
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-25 17:03 UTC|newest]
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2007-05-24 14:04 ` [2/3] 2.6.22-rc2: known regressions v2 Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-24 14:04 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-24 14:04 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-24 14:18 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-05-24 14:22 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-24 14:18 ` Alan Stern
2007-05-24 17:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-24 17:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-24 17:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-24 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 17:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-24 17:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-24 17:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-24 18:49 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-24 18:49 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-24 18:49 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-24 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 21:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-24 21:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-24 21:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-24 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 19:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-24 19:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-24 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24 20:02 ` David Woodhouse
2007-05-24 20:02 ` David Woodhouse
2007-05-24 20:02 ` David Woodhouse
2007-05-25 10:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 10:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 10:18 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-25 10:18 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-25 10:18 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-25 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 11:53 ` Chris Newport
2007-05-25 11:53 ` Chris Newport
2007-05-25 11:53 ` Chris Newport
2007-05-25 12:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 12:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 12:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 16:33 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25 16:33 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25 16:33 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25 16:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-25 16:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-25 16:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-28 3:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-05-28 3:58 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-05-28 3:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-05-25 12:40 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-25 12:40 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-25 12:40 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-25 16:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 16:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 16:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:03 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2007-05-25 17:03 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-25 17:03 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-25 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25 17:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25 17:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-25 17:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-25 17:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-25 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-28 4:27 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-05-28 4:39 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-05-28 4:27 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-05-25 17:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-25 17:07 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-05-25 17:07 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-05-25 17:07 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-05-25 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-25 18:03 ` Chris Newport
2007-05-25 18:03 ` Chris Newport
2007-05-25 20:36 ` David Miller
2007-05-25 20:36 ` David Miller
2007-05-25 20:36 ` David Miller
2007-05-26 13:16 ` Matt Sealey
2007-05-26 13:16 ` [linux-pm] " Matt Sealey
2007-05-26 13:16 ` Matt Sealey
2007-05-25 18:03 ` Chris Newport
2007-05-25 10:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-24 19:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-03 6:47 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-24 14:04 ` [3/3] " Michal Piotrowski
2007-05-24 22:04 ` Greg KH
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