* [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO @ 2007-05-18 13:29 debian developer 2007-05-18 14:01 ` Pekka Enberg 2007-05-18 16:01 ` Robert P. J. Day 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: debian developer @ 2007-05-18 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: greg, linux-kernel, debiandev Heres a patch. It's my first. so any mistakes to be pardoned. :) --- linux-2.6.21.1/Documentation/HOWTO.orig 2007-05-18 18:54:18.000000000 +0530 +++ linux-2.6.21.1/Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-18 18:55:03.000000000 +0530 @@ -383,26 +383,6 @@ One of the best ways to put into practic bugs reported by other people. Not only you will help to make the kernel more stable, you'll learn to fix real world problems and you will improve your skills, and other developers will be aware of your presence. Fixing -bugs is one of the best ways to earn merit amongst the developers, because -not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. - -To work in the already reported bug reports, go to http://bugzilla.kernel.org. -If you want to be advised of the future bug reports, you can subscribe to the -bugme-new mailing list (only new bug reports are mailed here) or to the -bugme-janitor mailing list (every change in the bugzilla is mailed here) - - http://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/bugme-new - http://lists.osdl.org/mailman/listinfo/bugme-janitors - - - -Managing bug reports --------------------- - -One of the best ways to put into practice your hacking skills is by fixing -bugs reported by other people. Not only you will help to make the kernel -more stable, you'll learn to fix real world problems and you will improve -your skills, and other developers will be aware of your presence. Fixing bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-18 13:29 [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO debian developer @ 2007-05-18 14:01 ` Pekka Enberg 2007-05-18 16:01 ` Robert P. J. Day 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Pekka Enberg @ 2007-05-18 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: debian developer; +Cc: greg, linux-kernel Hi "Debian Developer", On 5/18/07, debian developer <debiandev@gmail.com> wrote: > Heres a patch. It's my first. so any mistakes to be pardoned. :) Three major problems: (1) no real name in the email, (2) no patch description and (3) no signed-off-by line. Please see the following URL for details: http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/patches/stuff/tpp.txt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-18 13:29 [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO debian developer 2007-05-18 14:01 ` Pekka Enberg @ 2007-05-18 16:01 ` Robert P. J. Day 2007-05-18 16:37 ` Bernd Eckenfels 2007-05-18 17:26 ` Valdis.Kletnieks 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Robert P. J. Day @ 2007-05-18 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: debian developer; +Cc: greg, linux-kernel On Fri, 18 May 2007, debian developer wrote: ... > -Managing bug reports > --------------------- > - > -One of the best ways to put into practice your hacking skills is by fixing > -bugs reported by other people. Not only you will help to make the kernel > -more stable, you'll learn to fix real world problems and you will improve > -your skills, and other developers will be aware of your presence. Fixing > bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because > not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ you might want to find a less demeaning term for debugging than "wasting time." just a thought. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://fsdev.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page ======================================================================== ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-18 16:01 ` Robert P. J. Day @ 2007-05-18 16:37 ` Bernd Eckenfels 2007-05-25 16:24 ` Scott Preece 2007-05-18 17:26 ` Valdis.Kletnieks 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Bernd Eckenfels @ 2007-05-18 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705181200440.18186@localhost.localdomain> you wrote: >> bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because >> not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. > ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > > you might want to find a less demeaning term for debugging than > "wasting time." just a thought. and it is not even correct. Gruss Bernd ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-18 16:37 ` Bernd Eckenfels @ 2007-05-25 16:24 ` Scott Preece 2007-05-25 20:00 ` Bernd Eckenfels 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Scott Preece @ 2007-05-25 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bernd Eckenfels; +Cc: linux-kernel On 5/18/07, Bernd Eckenfels <ecki@lina.inka.de> wrote: > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705181200440.18186@localhost.localdomain> you wrote: > >> bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because > >> not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. > > ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > > > > you might want to find a less demeaning term for debugging than --- I'm pretty sure an economist would describe debugging as wasted time (non-value-add). The point being, of course, that the original coder's mistakes caused someone else to have to waste time, time that could otherwise have been spent adding value, fixing the problem. However, it might be phrased more diplomatically in this context, like "because you are sacrificing time that could be spent adding features, to fix somebody else's mistakes". scott ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-25 16:24 ` Scott Preece @ 2007-05-25 20:00 ` Bernd Eckenfels 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Bernd Eckenfels @ 2007-05-25 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Scott Preece; +Cc: linux-kernel On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 11:24:46AM -0500, Scott Preece wrote: > However, it might be phrased more diplomatically in this context, like > "because you are sacrificing time that could be spent adding features, > to fix somebody else's mistakes". Not all Bugs are mistakes of the coder. I still think it is not correct to blame developers. And it is also not a good idea to treat helping hands as second class only because they improve instead of create things. Linux Kernel is developed in a collaborative evolutionary process. The documentation change is completely wrong worded. (However the idea to ask ppl to look for small clear tasks, especially if not everybody has the option to work on it (hardware) is good) - and very rewarding. Gruss Bernd ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-18 16:01 ` Robert P. J. Day 2007-05-18 16:37 ` Bernd Eckenfels @ 2007-05-18 17:26 ` Valdis.Kletnieks 2007-05-24 9:45 ` Qi Yong 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Valdis.Kletnieks @ 2007-05-18 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert P. J. Day; +Cc: debian developer, greg, linux-kernel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 616 bytes --] On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:01:41 EDT, "Robert P. J. Day" said: > On Fri, 18 May 2007, debian developer wrote: > > -your skills, and other developers will be aware of your presence. Fixing > > bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because > > not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. > ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > you might want to find a less demeaning term for debugging than > "wasting time." just a thought. Wasn't his text, not his fault. At least his patch is an improvement - now HOWTO only equates it with "wasting time" once, rather than twice. ;) [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 226 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-18 17:26 ` Valdis.Kletnieks @ 2007-05-24 9:45 ` Qi Yong 2007-05-24 11:56 ` Diego Calleja 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Qi Yong @ 2007-05-24 9:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: Robert P. J. Day, debian developer, greg, linux-kernel, diegocg, Linus Torvalds, Andrew Morton On 19/05/07, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:01:41 EDT, "Robert P. J. Day" said: > > On Fri, 18 May 2007, debian developer wrote: > > > > -your skills, and other developers will be aware of your presence. Fixing > > > bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because > > > not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. > > ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > > you might want to find a less demeaning term for debugging than > > "wasting time." just a thought. > > Wasn't his text, not his fault. At least his patch is an improvement - now > HOWTO only equates it with "wasting time" once, rather than twice. ;) Hello, This duplicated paragraph problem was introduced by the following two commits. They are one patch actually. bughunting patch adds bug; isn't it a vivid ironic example. and also > +not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. Torvalds, Care to revert one commit? commit 722385f75efd82d9f480f0765a1e97a4d83cac0d Author: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> Date: Thu Sep 21 22:37:10 2006 +0200 HOWTO: bug report addition I suspect that not many people is subscribed to the bugzilla mailing list, not surprising since the URLs doesn't seem to be in the tree :) After fixing my english, I wonder if the following patch could be applied... Signed-off-by: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> Acked-by: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> commit 3f27100872b21e4cc70d07b96eeb3611b30bce63 Author: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> Date: Sat Sep 30 23:27:49 2006 -0700 [PATCH] HOWTO: mention bughunting Signed-off-by: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> -- Qi Yong ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-24 9:45 ` Qi Yong @ 2007-05-24 11:56 ` Diego Calleja 2007-05-24 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Diego Calleja @ 2007-05-24 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Qi Yong Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Robert P. J. Day, debian developer, greg, linux-kernel, Linus Torvalds, Andrew Morton El Thu, 24 May 2007 17:45:04 +0800, "Qi Yong" <qiyong@fc-cn.com> escribió: > Hello, > > This duplicated paragraph problem was introduced by the following two > commits. They are one patch actually. D'oh, it seems the patch was picked from the mailing list and merged twice, and I didn't notice it. > Torvalds, Care to revert one commit? Agreed, one of them can be removed. > commit 722385f75efd82d9f480f0765a1e97a4d83cac0d > Author: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> > Date: Thu Sep 21 22:37:10 2006 +0200 > > HOWTO: bug report addition > > I suspect that not many people is subscribed to the bugzilla mailing list, > not surprising since the URLs doesn't seem to be in the tree :) > > After fixing my english, I wonder if the following patch could be applied... > > Signed-off-by: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> > Acked-by: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net> > Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> > > commit 3f27100872b21e4cc70d07b96eeb3611b30bce63 > Author: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> > Date: Sat Sep 30 23:27:49 2006 -0700 > > [PATCH] HOWTO: mention bughunting > > Signed-off-by: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com> > Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> > Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-24 11:56 ` Diego Calleja @ 2007-05-24 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds 2007-05-24 16:28 ` debian developer 2007-05-25 7:13 ` Qi Yong 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2007-05-24 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Diego Calleja Cc: Qi Yong, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Robert P. J. Day, debian developer, greg, linux-kernel, Andrew Morton [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 572 bytes --] On Thu, 24 May 2007, Diego Calleja wrote: > El Thu, 24 May 2007 17:45:04 +0800, "Qi Yong" <qiyong@fc-cn.com> escribió: > > D'oh, it seems the patch was picked from the mailing list and merged twice, > and I didn't notice it. > > > Torvalds, Care to revert one commit? > > Agreed, one of them can be removed. Yes, done. Andrew - can you check that it's also removed from your queues, since it might be there still just because it keeps applying cleanly. You might have it described as "HOWTO: mention bughunting" rather than "HOWTO: bug report addition". Linus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-24 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds @ 2007-05-24 16:28 ` debian developer 2007-05-25 7:13 ` Qi Yong 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: debian developer @ 2007-05-24 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel sept. 2006! its been there since quite a long time. now what happens to my patch submitted to Greg??? On 5/24/07, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 May 2007, Diego Calleja wrote: > > El Thu, 24 May 2007 17:45:04 +0800, "Qi Yong" <qiyong@fc-cn.com> escribió: > > > > D'oh, it seems the patch was picked from the mailing list and merged twice, > > and I didn't notice it. > > > > > Torvalds, Care to revert one commit? > > > > Agreed, one of them can be removed. > > Yes, done. > > Andrew - can you check that it's also removed from your queues, since it > might be there still just because it keeps applying cleanly. > > You might have it described as "HOWTO: mention bughunting" rather than > "HOWTO: bug report addition". > > Linus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH - 1/1] Documentation/HOWTO 2007-05-24 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds 2007-05-24 16:28 ` debian developer @ 2007-05-25 7:13 ` Qi Yong 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Qi Yong @ 2007-05-25 7:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Diego Calleja, Qi Yong, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Robert P. J. Day, debian developer, greg, linux-kernel, Andrew Morton On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:49:12AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 May 2007, Diego Calleja wrote: > > El Thu, 24 May 2007 17:45:04 +0800, "Qi Yong" <qiyong@fc-cn.com> escribió: > > > > D'oh, it seems the patch was picked from the mailing list and merged twice, > > and I didn't notice it. > > > > > Torvalds, Care to revert one commit? > > > > Agreed, one of them can be removed. > > Yes, done. > > Andrew - can you check that it's also removed from your queues, since it > might be there still just because it keeps applying cleanly. People's fault, not tools'. > > You might have it described as "HOWTO: mention bughunting" rather than > "HOWTO: bug report addition". > > Linus Sorry, my previous comment was not accurate. The two patches are different, not identical: diff -u howto-mention-bughunting howto-bug-report-addition --- howto-mention-bughunting 2007-05-25 09:12:47.513596296 +0800 +++ howto-bug-report-addition 2007-05-25 09:12:58.914245983 +0800 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ --- a/Documentation/HOWTO +++ b/Documentation/HOWTO -@@ -375,6 +375,26 @@ of information is needed by the kernel developers to help track down the - problem. +@@ -395,6 +395,26 @@ bugme-janitor mailing list (every change in the bugzilla is mailed here) + +Managing bug reports @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ +bugs reported by other people. Not only you will help to make the kernel +more stable, you'll learn to fix real world problems and you will improve +your skills, and other developers will be aware of your presence. Fixing -+bugs is one of the best ways to earn merit amongst the developers, because ++bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because +not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. + +To work in the already reported bug reports, go to http://bugzilla.kernel.org. The second patch howto-bug-report-addition was an improvement, but was made wrongly, thus added the duplication. We should go with howto-bug-report-addition. Please take this: Signed-off-by: Qi Yong <qiyong@fc-cn.com> --- diff --git a/Documentation/HOWTO b/Documentation/HOWTO index ced9207..f5e1b6d 100644 --- a/Documentation/HOWTO +++ b/Documentation/HOWTO @@ -383,7 +383,7 @@ One of the best ways to put into practice your hacking skills is by fixing bugs reported by other people. Not only you will help to make the kernel more stable, you'll learn to fix real world problems and you will improve your skills, and other developers will be aware of your presence. Fixing -bugs is one of the best ways to earn merit amongst the developers, because +bugs is one of the best ways to get merits among other developers, because not many people like wasting time fixing other people's bugs. To work in the already reported bug reports, go to http://bugzilla.kernel.org. -- Qi Yong ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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