From: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: William D Waddington <william.waddington@beezmo.com>,
Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
Subject: Re: Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:39:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070628213922.GG21478@ftp.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070628173051.4a3422c0@the-village.bc.nu>
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 05:30:51PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > My (mild) beef is more like what I take to be Al's point: it feels like
> > there is a kind of hostility toward out-of-tree maintainers. Why not
>
> Some of that comes about because a lot of them are out of tree
> maintaining non-free stuff, shipping binary products - often entirely
> binary without a Linux or GPL label - until the man in black catches them
> and sues them in Germany.
Some, but not all, and you know damn well where the rest is coming
from (kABI is a four-letter word and anything that smells like
a slippery slope towards that in mainline kernel is not a good
idea, to put it very mildly).
It's really very simple:
(1) There are too many exports
(2) "should not break any code that uses only exported symbols" is
a very strong constraint. Too strong to be feasible.
(3) That constraint has become too strong because module authors
kept adding exports.
(4) Unless the number of exports is trimmed by at least 1--1.5
orders of magnitude, forget about any such promises.
(5) Trimming it down is unacceptable for module authors - the same
people who'd created that coprostalagmite in the first place and who keep
asking for such promises.
What can one do? Well, get the code merged or maintain it on your own.
If the subset of exports you are using is relatively sane, the latter
option will cause you relatively little PITA. If it's not, well, at least it
doesn't become a pain in our arses...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-28 21:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2007-06-27 14:15 ` Please release a stable kernel Linux 3.0 Bill Waddington
2007-06-28 11:15 ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-28 15:28 ` William D Waddington
2007-06-28 16:30 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-28 16:39 ` William D Waddington
2007-06-29 0:00 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-28 21:39 ` Al Viro [this message]
2007-06-28 22:00 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 22:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-28 22:45 ` Rene Herman
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[not found] ` <8B0vZ-r6-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <8B46G-69z-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <8B52G-7C9-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <8BalK-7Ic-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <8BaYr-8tJ-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-06-29 21:05 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-06-29 21:27 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-30 2:11 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-06-30 10:50 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-27 13:53 Al Boldi
2007-06-27 15:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-27 16:08 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-27 16:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-27 16:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-27 22:32 ` Al Boldi
2007-06-27 17:11 ` Al Viro
2007-06-27 22:32 ` Al Boldi
2007-06-27 23:12 ` Al Viro
2007-06-28 15:37 ` Al Boldi
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-21 21:49 Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-21 21:54 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 22:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-21 22:21 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-22 20:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-06-21 22:29 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-06-21 22:34 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 23:01 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-21 23:08 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 23:36 ` Måns Rullgård
2007-06-21 23:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-28 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-29 13:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-29 22:33 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-22 15:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-22 17:11 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-22 22:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-24 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-25 16:38 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-25 23:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-06-25 23:23 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-21 22:57 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-21 23:07 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-06-21 23:23 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-22 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-06-26 11:59 ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-26 14:37 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-26 15:04 ` Renato S. Yamane
2007-06-26 19:03 ` Roland Kuhn
2007-06-27 9:18 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-27 9:54 ` Alan McKinnon
2007-06-27 9:55 ` Al Viro
2007-06-27 14:44 ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-27 16:13 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-29 16:37 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-06-21 23:30 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-21 23:32 ` david
2007-06-22 8:41 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-21 22:52 ` Stefan Richter
2007-06-21 22:59 ` Zoltán HUBERT
2007-06-21 22:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-22 3:51 ` Rik van Riel
2007-06-22 9:19 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-06-22 9:45 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-06-23 7:25 ` Chris Snook
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