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From: Anton Vorontsov <avorontsov-hkdhdckH98+B+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
To: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Hans-Peter Nilsson
	<hans-peter.nilsson-VrBV9hrLPhE@public.gmane.org>,
	Mikael Starvik <mikael.starvik-VrBV9hrLPhE@public.gmane.org>,
	Mike Lavender
	<mike-UTnDXsALFwNjMdQLN6DIHgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>,
	spi-devel-general-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Pierre Ossman
	<drzeus-mmc-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 2.6.22-git5 0/4] MMC-over-SPI
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:23:53 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070724102353.GA8399@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707231033.31717.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 10:33:31AM -0700, David Brownell wrote:
> On Monday 23 July 2007, Anton Vorontsov wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 01:28:17PM -0700, David Brownell wrote:
> 
> > > I notice that driver disregards the cs_change instructions in the
> > > messages ... I could imagine how that could make a big difference.
> 
> For example, the extra flapping on the chipselect changes timings...
> 
> 
> > > If that hardware were doing the right thing, then it would work
> > > reliably!  Since it's not reliable, it's doing something wrong.
> > > You seem to think it's not a hardware issue; that may be true.
> > > 
> > > Recall that the first dozen or so commands worked just fine.  The
> > > issue was that some byte that should have been all-ones or 0xfe
> > > reported instead an 0xf8.  That's not the kind of error that can
> > > be explained by clock skew; it covers at least two bits.
> > 
> > Yup, I've either noticed that 0xf8 and 0xfe differs by only two
> > bits (and by three if comparing to 0xff). But I can't really
> > explain it yet.
> 
> See if fixing the cs_change handling -- so that chipselect never
> goes inactive except between MMC requests -- helps. 

Okay.. I've looked into cs_change for spi_mpc83xx, and it seems
bitbang framework (which is used by spi_mpc83xx driver) handle
cs_change by itself.

At least bitbang_work() doing very similar things done by other
drivers not using bitbang library.

> Minimally,
> you'll notice that mode 0 adds extra delays (albeit only 1/2 clock)
> before the clock starts toggling; and that deslecting cards
> except between requests or while the card issues BUSY, falls into
> the "undefined behavior" category.  So while that might not be
> able to trigger certain perversions, dropping a few clocks in
> some odd cases would not seem to violate the spec...
> 
> - Dave

Thanks,

-- 
Anton Vorontsov
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-24 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-14 22:04 [patch 2.6.22-git5 0/4] MMC-over-SPI David Brownell
     [not found] ` <200707141504.51950.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-14 22:05   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 1/4] MMC headers learn about SPI David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141506.00262.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:31       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726183150.024930aa-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:55           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707260955.22967.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 18:05               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070726200525.6a5b7d72-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 20:08                   ` David Brownell
2007-07-14 22:06   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 2/4] MMC block learns " David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141506.42880.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:33       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726183339.6631243f-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 17:00           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707261000.17339.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 18:06               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070726200639.06242858-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 20:15                   ` David Brownell
2007-07-14 22:07   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 3/4] MMC core " David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141507.17484.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 17:18       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726191824.569542fd-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 21:58           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707261458.55558.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 22:22               ` David Brownell
2007-08-01 15:02               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070801170220.3c5ccff6-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 17:02                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200708011002.28801.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 12:54                       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                         ` <20070802145445.1118d1e7-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 19:23                           ` David Brownell
2007-07-14 22:08   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 4/4] mmc_spi host driver David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141508.07555.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 18:02       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726200202.5e5dcf62-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 23:32           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707261632.37011.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 15:12               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070801171217.1478267b-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 18:17                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200708011117.24664.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 13:06                       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                         ` <20070802150615.36e073c6-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 20:34                           ` David Brownell
     [not found]                             ` <200708021334.50670.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-04 13:14                               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                                 ` <20070804151452.0efaa5a9-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-04 17:32                                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                     ` <200708041032.10001.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-04 21:32                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-08-07 12:35                               ` Pierre Ossman
2007-08-01 18:40                   ` David Brownell
2007-07-16 16:48   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 0/4] MMC-over-SPI Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]     ` <20070716164837.GA18707-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-16 18:54       ` David Brownell
     [not found]         ` <200707161154.54728.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-17 15:13           ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]             ` <20070717151350.GA3752-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-17 16:11               ` David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <200707170911.16715.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18  7:35                   ` Jan Nikitenko
     [not found]                     ` <469DC2BC.5070305-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18 17:06                       ` David Brownell
2007-07-18 10:00                   ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]                     ` <20070718100047.GA9544-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18 14:05                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2007-07-18 14:44                   ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                     ` <20070718164409.56ca0019-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18 17:27                       ` David Brownell
     [not found]                         ` <200707181027.17819.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-19 16:15                           ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]                             ` <20070719161553.GA15756-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-19 20:28                               ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                 ` <200707191328.18846.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-23 14:29                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]                                     ` <20070723142923.GA28979-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-23 17:33                                       ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                         ` <200707231033.31717.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-24 10:23                                           ` Anton Vorontsov [this message]
2007-08-07  3:21                                           ` David Brownell

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