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From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>
Cc: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
	Lee Howard <faxguy@howardsilvan.com>,
	linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: serial flow control appears broken
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:59:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070730095933.GA20417@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64N.0707301040320.12082@blysk.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:45:19AM +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Russell King wrote:
> 
> > Essentially, any complex interrupt handler (such as an IDE interrupt
> > doing a multi-sector PIO transfer _in interrupt context_) can cause this
> > kind of starvation.  That's why Linux 1.x had bottom halves - so that
> > the time consuming work could be moved out of the interrupt handler,
> > thereby causing minimal the blockage of other interrupts.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, that kind of design has been long since forgotten.
> > Apparantly modern machines are fast enough that it doesn't have to be
> > worried about anymore...  Or are they?
> 
>  I would guess it is not that the machines are fast enough, but that this 
> two-level processing makes things more complicated.  Enough that most 
> people would not bother digging into it unless really forced.  Only 
> occasional latency problems are probably not enough of a force.

It's a shame we don't have a way to measure IRQ latency - it would be
very useful to flag up problems.

I think the best we could do is to arrange for the timer interrupt to
complain if it's delayed by more than 1ms or so - but some architectures
already run their timers with IRQF_DISABLED as a work around some of
the latency issues.

-- 
Russell King
 Linux kernel    2.6 ARM Linux   - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
 maintainer of:

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-30 10:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.Z6O0xFRT69zes0Mg+agt3Uiwux4@ifi.uio.no>
2007-07-26  7:20 ` serial flow control appears broken Robert Hancock
2007-07-26 16:08   ` Lee Howard
2007-07-26 16:31     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-27  5:53       ` Lee Howard
2007-07-27 11:47         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-27 17:36           ` Lee Howard
2007-07-27 13:45         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-07-27 19:34           ` Paul Fulghum
2007-08-27 20:38             ` Paul Fulghum
2007-07-27 20:48             ` Lee Howard
2007-07-27 23:28               ` Paul Fulghum
2007-07-28  4:51                 ` Lee Howard
2007-07-28  9:18                   ` Russell King
2007-07-28 12:00                   ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 15:39                     ` Lee Howard
2007-08-01 21:54                       ` Frantisek Rysanek
2007-07-28 16:41                   ` Ray Lee
2007-08-04 18:21                     ` Lee Howard
2007-08-04 22:07                       ` Paul Fulghum
2007-08-05  0:00                         ` Lee Howard
2007-08-05 14:52                           ` Paul Fulghum
2007-07-27 19:34           ` Paul Fulghum
2007-07-27 20:05           ` Lee Howard
2007-07-27 11:32     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-07-27 17:11       ` Lee Howard
2007-07-27 17:41         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-27 17:53         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-07-27 18:11           ` Lee Howard
2007-07-30  9:36             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-07-27 18:22           ` Robert Hancock
2007-07-27 18:46             ` Paul Fulghum
2007-07-27 19:05             ` Paul Fulghum
2007-07-30  9:39               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-07-27 19:14             ` Paul Fulghum
2007-07-28  9:28             ` Russell King
2007-07-30  9:45               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-07-30  9:59                 ` Russell King [this message]
2007-08-02 14:57                 ` Mark Lord
2007-08-02 16:14                   ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-02 16:29                     ` Mark Lord
2007-08-02 16:40                       ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-02 17:13                       ` Alan Cox
2007-08-04 19:38                       ` Lee Howard
2007-08-02 16:57                     ` Alan Cox
2007-08-02 17:02                       ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-03  9:32                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-07-30  9:34             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-08-04 18:19           ` Lee Howard
2007-07-26  1:52 Lee Howard
2007-07-26 12:34 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2007-07-26 12:34   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2007-07-26 16:28   ` Lee Howard
2007-07-26 16:28     ` Lee Howard
2007-07-26 16:41     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-27  6:17       ` Lee Howard
2007-07-27 11:56         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-27 18:00           ` Lee Howard
2007-07-26 15:51 ` Tosoni
2007-07-26 16:31   ` Lee Howard

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