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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
To: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
Cc: Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RT: Add priority-queuing and priority-inheritance to workqueue infrastructure
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:34:22 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070801213422.GA280@tv-sign.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1186002783.9513.228.camel@ghaskins-t60p.haskins.net>

On 08/01, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 00:50 +0400, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 08/01, Daniel Walker wrote:
> > >
> > > It's translating priorities through the work queues, which doesn't seem
> > > to happen with the current implementation. A high priority, say
> > > SCHED_FIFO priority 99, task may have to wait for a nice -5 work queue
> > > to finish..
> > 
> > Why should that task wait?
> 
> I assume "that task" = the RT99 task?  If so, that is precisely the
> question.  It shouldn't wait.  ;)  With mainline, it is simply queued
> with every other request.  There could be an RT40, and a SCHED_NORMAL in
> front of it in the queue that will get processed first.  In addition,
> the system could suffer from a priority inversion if some unrelated but
> lower priority task (say RT98) was blocking the workqueue thread from
> making forward progress on the nice -5 job. 
> 
> To clarify: when a design utilizes a singlethread per workqueue (such as
> in both mainline and this patch), the RT99 will always have to wait
> behind any already dispatched jobs.

It is not that "RT99 will always have to wait". But yes, the work_struct
queued by RT99 has to wait.

> That is a given.  However, with
> Daniels patch, two things happen in addition to normal processing.

Yes, I see what the patch does,

> 1) The RT99 task would move ahead in the queue of anything else that was
> also scheduled on the workqueue that is < RT99.

this itself is wrong, breaks flush_workqueue() semantics

> 2) The priority of the workqueue task would be temporarily elevated to
> RT99 so that the currently dispatched task will complete at the same
> priority as the waiter.

_Which_ waiter? I can't understand at all why work_struct should "inherit"
the priority of the task which queued it. This looks just wrong to me,
even if could implement this safely.

Oleg.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-01 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-01  0:26 [PATCH] RT: Add priority-queuing and priority-inheritance to workqueue infrastructure Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01  3:52 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 11:59   ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 15:10     ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 15:19       ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 15:55         ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 17:32           ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 21:48       ` Esben Nielsen
2007-08-01 17:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-01 17:10     ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 18:26       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 18:39         ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 18:12     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 18:29       ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 20:32           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 20:43             ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:34           ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 20:50             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 21:02               ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-01 21:13               ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 21:34                 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2007-08-01 21:59                   ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-01 22:22                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-01 23:53                       ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-02 19:50                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 11:35                           ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 14:26                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 14:57                               ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 15:36                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 15:50                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 16:50                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 16:57                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 11:49                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-06 13:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 13:29                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 13:32                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 14:45                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 14:52                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 16:40                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 15:04                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2007-08-06 15:38                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 19:33                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-08-06 19:37                             ` Gregory Haskins

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