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From: "J.A. Magallón" <jamagallon@ono.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:47:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071204224745.51e6c2b1@werewolf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071203215727.543fc757@the-village.bc.nu>

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:57:27 +0000, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> > You could write an equally effcient kernel in languages like C++,
> > using C++ abstractions as a high level organization, where
> 
> It's very very hard to generate good C code because of the numerous ways
> objects get temporarily created, and the week aliasing rules (as with C).
> 

That is what I like of C++, with good placement of high level features
like const's and & (references) one can gain fine control over what
gets copied or not.
Try to write a Vector class that does ops with SSE without storing
temporals on the stack. Its a good example of how one can get low
level control, and gcc is pretty good simplifying things like u=v+2*w
and not putting anything on the stack, all in xmm registers.

The advantage is you onle has to be careful one time, when you write
the class.

> There are reasons that Fortran lives on (and no I'm not suggesting one
> should rewrite the kernel in Fortran ;)) and the fact its not really got
> pointer aliasing or "address of" operators and all the resulting
> optimsation problems is one of the big ones.
> 


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-04 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-29 12:14 Kernel Development & Objective-C Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 10:02 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:09   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2007-11-30 10:20     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:54       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-30 14:21         ` David Newall
2007-11-30 23:31           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 23:40             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-01  0:05               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-12-01 18:27               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-01 18:18                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-03  1:23                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 22:52     ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 10:29 ` Loïc Grenié
2007-11-30 11:16   ` Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 11:36     ` Karol Swietlicki
2007-11-30 14:37     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-08  8:54     ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2007-11-30 23:19   ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 23:53     ` Nicholas Miell
2007-12-01  0:31     ` Al Viro
2007-12-01  0:34       ` Al Viro
2007-12-01  1:09       ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-01 19:55       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 17:54     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-04 21:10       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 21:24       ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 11:37 ` Matti Aarnio
2007-11-30 14:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:26   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-30 18:40     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-30 19:35       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-01 20:03     ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:01       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03  5:12         ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03  9:50           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 11:46             ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 11:50               ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 21:13               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-03 21:39                 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-03 21:57                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 21:47                     ` J.A. Magallón [this message]
2007-12-04 22:20                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-12-05 10:59                         ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-12-04 21:07                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 22:43                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-05 17:05                     ` Micro vs macro optimizations (was: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C) Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 12:35           ` Kernel Development & Objective-C Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 12:44             ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 16:28             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-04 17:50             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-05 10:31               ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-01 19:59   ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:44     ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-03 16:53     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:00 ` Chris Snook
2007-12-01  9:50   ` David Newall

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