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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: David Newall <david@davidnewall.com>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
	Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Ben.Crowhurst@stellatravel.co.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:23:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47535A80.6010904@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071201181859.346b3e03@the-village.bc.nu>

Alan Cox wrote:
>> Well, original C allowed you to do what you wanted with pointers (I used 
>> to teach that back when K&R was "the" C manual). Now people which about 
>> having pointers outside the array, which is a crock in practice, as long 
>> as you don't actually /use/ an out of range value.
>>     
>
> Actually the standards had good reasons to bar this use, because many
> runtime environments used segmentation and unsigned segment offsets. On a
> 286 you could get into quite a mess with out of array reference tricks.
>
>   
>> variable with the address of the start. I was more familiar with the B 
>> stuff, I wrote both the interpreter and the code generator+library for 
>> the 8080 and GE600 machines. B on MULTICS, those were the days... :-D
>>     
>
> B on Honeywell L66, so that may well have been a relative of your code
> generator ?
>
>   
Probably the Bell Labs one. I did an optimizer on the Pcode which caught 
jumps to jumps, then had separate 8080 and L66 code generators into GMAP 
on the GE and the CP/M assembler or the Intel (ISIS) assembler for 8080. 
There was also an 8085 code generator using the "ten undocumented 
instructions" from the Dr Dobbs article. GE actually had a contract with 
Intel to provide CPUs with those instructions, and we used them in the 
Terminet(r) printers.

Those were the days ;-)

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  "Woe unto the statesman who makes war without a reason that will still
  be valid when the war is over..." Otto von Bismark 



  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-03  1:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-29 12:14 Kernel Development & Objective-C Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 10:02 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:09   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2007-11-30 10:20     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:54       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-30 14:21         ` David Newall
2007-11-30 23:31           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 23:40             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-01  0:05               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-12-01 18:27               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-01 18:18                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-03  1:23                   ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2007-11-30 22:52     ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 10:29 ` Loïc Grenié
2007-11-30 11:16   ` Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 11:36     ` Karol Swietlicki
2007-11-30 14:37     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-08  8:54     ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2007-11-30 23:19   ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 23:53     ` Nicholas Miell
2007-12-01  0:31     ` Al Viro
2007-12-01  0:34       ` Al Viro
2007-12-01  1:09       ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-01 19:55       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 17:54     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-04 21:10       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 21:24       ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 11:37 ` Matti Aarnio
2007-11-30 14:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:26   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-30 18:40     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-30 19:35       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-01 20:03     ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:01       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03  5:12         ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03  9:50           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 11:46             ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 11:50               ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 21:13               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-03 21:39                 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-03 21:57                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 21:47                     ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-04 22:20                       ` Diego Calleja
2007-12-05 10:59                         ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-12-04 21:07                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 22:43                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-05 17:05                     ` Micro vs macro optimizations (was: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C) Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 12:35           ` Kernel Development & Objective-C Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 12:44             ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 16:28             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-04 17:50             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-05 10:31               ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-01 19:59   ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:44     ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-03 16:53     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:00 ` Chris Snook
2007-12-01  9:50   ` David Newall

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