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From: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [rfc][patch] mm: madvise(WILLNEED) for anonymous memory
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:29:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071220162902.GA1945@tango.0pointer.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0712201339010.18399@blonde.wat.veritas.com>

On Thu, 20.12.07 14:09, Hugh Dickins (hugh@veritas.com) wrote:

> > Lennart asked for madvise(WILLNEED) to work on anonymous pages, he plans
> > to use this to pre-fault pages. He currently uses: mlock/munlock for
> > this purpose.
> 
> I certainly agree with this in principle: it just seems an unnecessary
> and surprising restriction to refuse on anonymous vmas; I guess the only
> reason for not adding this was not having anyone asking for it until now.
> Though, does Lennart realize he could use MAP_POPULATE in the mmap?

Not really. First, if the mmap() is hidden somewhere in glibc (i.e. as
part of malloc() or whatever) it's not really possible to do
MAP_POPULATE. Also, I need this for some memory that is allocated
during the whole runtime but only seldomly used. Thus I am happy if it
is swapped out, but everytime I want to use it I want to make sure it
is paged in before I pass it on to the RT thread. So, there's a
mmap() during startup only, and then, during the whole runtime of my
program I want to page in the memory again and again, with long
intervals in between, but with no call to mmap()/munmap().

Lennart

-- 
Lennart Poettering                        Red Hat, Inc.
lennart [at] poettering [dot] net         ICQ# 11060553
http://0pointer.net/lennart/           GnuPG 0x1A015CC4

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From: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [rfc][patch] mm: madvise(WILLNEED) for anonymous memory
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:29:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071220162902.GA1945@tango.0pointer.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0712201339010.18399@blonde.wat.veritas.com>

On Thu, 20.12.07 14:09, Hugh Dickins (hugh@veritas.com) wrote:

> > Lennart asked for madvise(WILLNEED) to work on anonymous pages, he plans
> > to use this to pre-fault pages. He currently uses: mlock/munlock for
> > this purpose.
> 
> I certainly agree with this in principle: it just seems an unnecessary
> and surprising restriction to refuse on anonymous vmas; I guess the only
> reason for not adding this was not having anyone asking for it until now.
> Though, does Lennart realize he could use MAP_POPULATE in the mmap?

Not really. First, if the mmap() is hidden somewhere in glibc (i.e. as
part of malloc() or whatever) it's not really possible to do
MAP_POPULATE. Also, I need this for some memory that is allocated
during the whole runtime but only seldomly used. Thus I am happy if it
is swapped out, but everytime I want to use it I want to make sure it
is paged in before I pass it on to the RT thread. So, there's a
mmap() during startup only, and then, during the whole runtime of my
program I want to page in the memory again and again, with long
intervals in between, but with no call to mmap()/munmap().

Lennart

-- 
Lennart Poettering                        Red Hat, Inc.
lennart [at] poettering [dot] net         ICQ# 11060553
http://0pointer.net/lennart/           GnuPG 0x1A015CC4

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-20 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-20 13:05 [rfc][patch] mm: madvise(WILLNEED) for anonymous memory Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 14:09 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-12-20 14:09   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-12-20 14:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 14:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 14:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 14:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 15:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 15:18         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 15:23         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 15:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 15:26     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-12-20 15:26       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-12-20 16:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 16:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 17:11         ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-20 17:11           ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-20 17:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 17:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-20 16:29   ` Lennart Poettering [this message]
2007-12-20 16:29     ` Lennart Poettering

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