From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@inria.fr>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:58:03 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080216025803.40d8ccbc.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47B6BDDF.90502@inria.fr>
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:41:35 +0100 Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@inria.fr> wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > What is the status of getting infiniband to use this facility?
> >
> > How important is this feature to KVM?
> >
> > To xpmem?
> >
> > Which other potential clients have been identified and how important it it
> > to those?
> >
>
> As I said when Andrea posted the first patch series, I used something
> very similar for non-RDMA-based HPC about 4 years ago. I haven't had
> time yet to look in depth and try the latest proposed API but my feeling
> is that it looks good.
>
"looks good" maybe. But it's in the details where I fear this will come
unstuck. The likelihood that some callbacks really will want to be able to
block in places where this interface doesn't permit that - either to wait
for IO to complete or to wait for other threads to clear critical regions.
>From that POV it doesn't look like a sufficiently general and useful
design. Looks like it was grafted onto the current VM implementation in a
way which just about suits two particular clients if they try hard enough.
Which is all perfectly understandable - it would be hard to rework core MM
to be able to make this interface more general. But I do think it's
half-baked and there is a decent risk that future (or present) code which
_could_ use something like this won't be able to use this one, and will
continue to futz with mlock, page-pinning, etc.
Not that I know what the fix to that is..
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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@inria.fr>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:58:03 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080216025803.40d8ccbc.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47B6BDDF.90502@inria.fr>
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:41:35 +0100 Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@inria.fr> wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > What is the status of getting infiniband to use this facility?
> >
> > How important is this feature to KVM?
> >
> > To xpmem?
> >
> > Which other potential clients have been identified and how important it it
> > to those?
> >
>
> As I said when Andrea posted the first patch series, I used something
> very similar for non-RDMA-based HPC about 4 years ago. I haven't had
> time yet to look in depth and try the latest proposed API but my feeling
> is that it looks good.
>
"looks good" maybe. But it's in the details where I fear this will come
unstuck. The likelihood that some callbacks really will want to be able to
block in places where this interface doesn't permit that - either to wait
for IO to complete or to wait for other threads to clear critical regions.
>From that POV it doesn't look like a sufficiently general and useful
design. Looks like it was grafted onto the current VM implementation in a
way which just about suits two particular clients if they try hard enough.
Which is all perfectly understandable - it would be hard to rework core MM
to be able to make this interface more general. But I do think it's
half-baked and there is a decent risk that future (or present) code which
_could_ use something like this won't be able to use this one, and will
continue to futz with mlock, page-pinning, etc.
Not that I know what the fix to that is..
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2008-02-15 6:48 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:48 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 8:45 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 8:45 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 8:45 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 8:56 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 8:56 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 8:56 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 9:21 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 9:21 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 9:21 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 10:41 ` Brice Goglin
2008-02-16 10:41 ` Brice Goglin
2008-02-16 10:58 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-02-16 10:58 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:21 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-17 3:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-17 3:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-17 3:01 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-17 12:24 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-17 12:24 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-17 12:24 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-17 5:04 ` Doug Maxey
2008-02-17 5:04 ` Doug Maxey
2008-02-17 5:04 ` Doug Maxey
2008-02-18 22:33 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-18 22:33 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-18 22:33 ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
2008-02-15 6:49 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:26 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-19 8:54 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 8:54 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 8:54 ` [ofa-general] " Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 13:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 13:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 13:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 23:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 23:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 23:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 23:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 23:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 23:08 ` [ofa-general] " Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 1:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 1:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 1:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-20 3:00 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:00 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:00 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 3:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 3:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 3:19 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:19 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:19 ` [ofa-general] " Robin Holt
2008-02-27 22:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-27 22:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:35 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:42 ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-27 22:42 ` Jack Steiner
2008-02-27 22:42 ` [ofa-general] " Jack Steiner
2008-02-28 0:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:11 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:52 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 1:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 1:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 1:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 1:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 1:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 1:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 18:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 18:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 18:43 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 0:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 0:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 0:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 0:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 0:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 0:59 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 13:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 13:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 13:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 19:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 19:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 19:55 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 20:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 20:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 20:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:03 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 21:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 21:48 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 22:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 22:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 22:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-29 22:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 22:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-29 22:41 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 10:53 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-28 10:53 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-28 10:53 ` [ofa-general] " Robin Holt
2008-03-03 5:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 5:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 5:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 19:28 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 19:50 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:50 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-04 18:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 18:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 18:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-05 0:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-05 0:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-15 6:49 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 11:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 11:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 11:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 19:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:22 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:54 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 19:54 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 19:54 ` [ofa-general] " Avi Kivity
2008-02-19 8:46 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 8:46 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 8:46 ` [ofa-general] " Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 13:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 13:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-19 13:30 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-18 1:51 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-18 1:51 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-18 1:51 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-15 6:49 ` [patch 4/6] mmu_notifier: Skeleton driver for a simple mmu_notifier Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Support for drivers with revers maps (f.e. for XPmem) Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 3:37 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 19:28 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-19 23:55 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 23:55 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-19 23:55 ` [ofa-general] " Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 3:12 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:12 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:12 ` [ofa-general] " Robin Holt
2008-02-20 3:51 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 3:51 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 3:51 ` [ofa-general] " Nick Piggin
2008-02-20 9:00 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 9:00 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 9:00 ` [ofa-general] " Robin Holt
2008-02-20 9:05 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 9:05 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-20 9:05 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-21 4:20 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21 4:20 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21 10:58 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-21 10:58 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-21 10:58 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26 6:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 6:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 6:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 7:21 ` [ofa-general] " Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26 7:21 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26 7:21 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 8:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-26 9:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26 9:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26 9:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-02-26 9:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-26 9:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-26 9:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-26 12:28 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26 12:28 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26 12:28 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26 12:29 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26 12:29 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-26 12:29 ` [ofa-general] " Robin Holt
2008-02-27 22:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-27 22:43 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 0:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 0:42 ` [ofa-general] " Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-28 1:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 1:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-28 1:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_rmap_notifier: Skeleton for complex driver that uses its own rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 10:48 ` [PATCH] KVM swapping with MMU Notifiers V7 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 10:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 10:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 11:08 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 11:08 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 11:08 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-18 12:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-18 12:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-16 11:51 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-16 11:51 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-16 11:51 ` [ofa-general] " Robin Holt
2008-02-18 12:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-18 12:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-18 12:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V3 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 15:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 15:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 15:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 15:53 ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 15:53 ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 15:53 ` Jack Steiner
2008-01-30 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 22:20 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 22:20 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 22:20 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 23:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 23:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 23:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 23:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 23:55 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301552210.1722-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-31 0:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] ` <20080131001258.GD7185-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-31 1:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 18:02 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 18:02 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 18:02 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 19:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V2 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 0:05 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 0:05 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 0:05 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 1:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 1:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 1:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 13:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 13:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 13:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 14:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 19:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 19:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 20:41 ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 20:41 ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 20:41 ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 16:07 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 16:07 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-29 16:07 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-05 18:05 ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:05 ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:05 ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-05 18:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-05 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-05 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-02-05 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
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