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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 06:07:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080526100751.GB24507@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080526000506.1d0fb047.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:05:06AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> It's purportedly showing that fdatasync() on ext3 is syncing the whole
> world in fsync()-fashion even with an application which does not grow
> the file size.
> 
> But fdatasync() shouldn't do that.  Even if the inode is dirty from
> atime or mtime updates, that shouldn't cause fdatasync() to run an
> ext3 commit?

Well, ideally it shouldn't, although POSIX allows fdatasync() to be
implemented in terms of fsync().  It is at the moment.  :-/

The problem is we don't currently have a way of distinguishing between
a "smudged" inode (only the mtime/atime has changed) and a "dirty"
inode (even if the number of blocks hasn't changed, if i_size has
changed, or i_mode, or anything else, including extended attributes
inline in the inode).  We're not tracking that difference.  If we only
allow mtime/atime changes through setattr (see Cristoph's patches),
and don't set the VFS dirty bit, but our own "smudged" bit, we could
do it --- but at the moment, we're not.

							- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-26 10:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <bug-421482-310856@https.bugzilla.mozilla.org/>
     [not found] ` <200805260513.m4Q5DAU8018498@mrapp54.mozilla.org>
2008-05-26  7:05   ` [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively Andrew Morton
2008-05-26 10:07     ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-05-26 11:10       ` Jörn Engel
2008-05-26 11:38         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-26 12:52           ` Jörn Engel
2008-05-26 20:22             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-29 17:08               ` fdatasync/barriers (was : [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively) Bryan Henderson
2008-05-29 18:46                 ` jim owens
2008-05-29 23:15                   ` Bryan Henderson
2008-05-30  4:00                     ` Timothy Shimmin
2008-05-30 14:14                       ` jim owens
2008-05-30 16:25                         ` Bryan Henderson
2008-05-30 18:48                           ` jim owens
2008-06-02 17:31                             ` Bryan Henderson
2008-05-26 18:49       ` [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively Andrew Morton

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