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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:22:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080526202210.GA29046@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080526125209.GC20623@logfs.org>

Jörn Engel wrote:
> > We're currently forcing a new commit if I_DIRTY_SYNC or
> > I_DIRTY_DATASYNC (but not necessarily I_DIRTY_PAGES) is set.  If
> > I_DIRTY_SYNC really means "smudged" (I believe you but I'll want to go
> > through the code and prove it to myself :-),
> 
> Proving it to yourself is good advice indeed.  I'm sure it used to mean
> "smudged" in 2.4.0 time.  Whether any changes since have damaged that
> property I haven't checked.

I noticed fdatasync() doing a full fsync(), and had a look at those
flags a few kernels ago, to implement fdatasync().  I wasn't convinced
the flags were being used in that way, but now I don't remember why.

So, yes, do check what they mean _now_.  And then, please, make us all
happy and implement fdatasync() :-)

Here's a thought for someone implementing fdatasync().  If a database
uses O_DIRECT writes (typically with aio), then wants data which it's
written to be committed to the hard disk platter, and the filesystem
is mounted "barrier=1" - should it call fdatasync()?  Should that emit
the barrier?  If another application uses normal (not O_DIRECT)
writes, and then _is delayed_ so long that kernel writeback occurs and
all cache is clean, and then calls fdatasync(), should that call emit
a barrier in that case?  (Answers imho: yes and yes).

> > (And then, we should rename things to more sane names.  :-)

Please, yes!  The names made sense instinctively, until I looked at
the code then they didn't :-)

-- Jamie
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-26 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <bug-421482-310856@https.bugzilla.mozilla.org/>
     [not found] ` <200805260513.m4Q5DAU8018498@mrapp54.mozilla.org>
2008-05-26  7:05   ` [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively Andrew Morton
2008-05-26 10:07     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-26 11:10       ` Jörn Engel
2008-05-26 11:38         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-26 12:52           ` Jörn Engel
2008-05-26 20:22             ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-05-29 17:08               ` fdatasync/barriers (was : [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively) Bryan Henderson
2008-05-29 18:46                 ` jim owens
2008-05-29 23:15                   ` Bryan Henderson
2008-05-30  4:00                     ` Timothy Shimmin
2008-05-30 14:14                       ` jim owens
2008-05-30 16:25                         ` Bryan Henderson
2008-05-30 18:48                           ` jim owens
2008-06-02 17:31                             ` Bryan Henderson
2008-05-26 18:49       ` [Bug 421482] Firefox 3 uses fsync excessively Andrew Morton

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