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From: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: mgross-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org
Cc: spi-devel-general-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Jonathan Cameron
	<Jonathan.Cameron-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	LM Sensors <lm-sensors-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel.
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:42:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805271642.42291.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080527155641.GB29868-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>

On Tuesday 27 May 2008, mark gross wrote:
> 
> > > Another problem area is around SPI itself.  There are variations of
> > > device implementations around chip select polarity, clock biasing
> > > (rising,falling, or midpoint) sampling from one SPI part to the next.
> > 
> > Midpoint?  That's not one I've come across before.  All four
> > standard SPI clock/sample/shift modes are already supported
> > in the SPI framework though.  Ditto active-high chipselects
> > (vs normal active-low) etc.
> 
> Yeah, its one of the sampling modes for the PIC18F4455 its one of the
> master mode sampling options  (see page 194 of
> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/39632D.pdf )

Actually figure 19-3 (p. 198) may be a bit more clear.

Curious.  That PIC18F controller has *three* bits ... equivalents
of CPOL and CPHA, plus a bit saying whether to wait a whole or
half clock after the leading clock edge before sampling it.

A quick survey of some other SPI chips suggests that the most
conventional interpretation is to sample on the trailing edge
of the clock, and not presume long hold times.

I would surely hope the SPI interface spec doesn't have to get
into the mess of timing variations which typify anyone trying to
make memory controllers do the Right thing ... *shudder* ...

- Dave



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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: mgross@linux.intel.com
Cc: spi-devel-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	LM Sensors <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] Accelerometer,
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:42:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805271642.42291.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080527155641.GB29868@linux.intel.com>

On Tuesday 27 May 2008, mark gross wrote:
> 
> > > Another problem area is around SPI itself.  There are variations of
> > > device implementations around chip select polarity, clock biasing
> > > (rising,falling, or midpoint) sampling from one SPI part to the next.
> > 
> > Midpoint?  That's not one I've come across before.  All four
> > standard SPI clock/sample/shift modes are already supported
> > in the SPI framework though.  Ditto active-high chipselects
> > (vs normal active-low) etc.
> 
> Yeah, its one of the sampling modes for the PIC18F4455 its one of the
> master mode sampling options  (see page 194 of
> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/39632D.pdf )

Actually figure 19-3 (p. 198) may be a bit more clear.

Curious.  That PIC18F controller has *three* bits ... equivalents
of CPOL and CPHA, plus a bit saying whether to wait a whole or
half clock after the leading clock edge before sampling it.

A quick survey of some other SPI chips suggests that the most
conventional interpretation is to sample on the trailing edge
of the clock, and not presume long hold times.

I would surely hope the SPI interface spec doesn't have to get
into the mess of timing variations which typify anyone trying to
make memory controllers do the Right thing ... *shudder* ...

- Dave



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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: mgross@linux.intel.com
Cc: spi-devel-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	LM Sensors <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>
Subject: Re: Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel.
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:42:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805271642.42291.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080527155641.GB29868@linux.intel.com>

On Tuesday 27 May 2008, mark gross wrote:
> 
> > > Another problem area is around SPI itself.  There are variations of
> > > device implementations around chip select polarity, clock biasing
> > > (rising,falling, or midpoint) sampling from one SPI part to the next.
> > 
> > Midpoint?  That's not one I've come across before.  All four
> > standard SPI clock/sample/shift modes are already supported
> > in the SPI framework though.  Ditto active-high chipselects
> > (vs normal active-low) etc.
> 
> Yeah, its one of the sampling modes for the PIC18F4455 its one of the
> master mode sampling options  (see page 194 of
> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/39632D.pdf )

Actually figure 19-3 (p. 198) may be a bit more clear.

Curious.  That PIC18F controller has *three* bits ... equivalents
of CPOL and CPHA, plus a bit saying whether to wait a whole or
half clock after the leading clock edge before sampling it.

A quick survey of some other SPI chips suggests that the most
conventional interpretation is to sample on the trailing edge
of the clock, and not presume long hold times.

I would surely hope the SPI interface spec doesn't have to get
into the mess of timing variations which typify anyone trying to
make memory controllers do the Right thing ... *shudder* ...

- Dave



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-27 23:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-20 10:04 Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-20 10:04 ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-20 10:04 ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-20 11:28 ` Jean Delvare
2008-05-20 11:28   ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, Jean Delvare
     [not found]   ` <20080520132817.03fb74ea-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-20 21:40     ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Hans J. Koch
2008-05-20 21:40       ` Hans J. Koch
2008-05-20 21:40       ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, Hans J. Koch
2008-05-21 10:04       ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-21 10:04         ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-21 13:20         ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jean Delvare
2008-05-21 13:20           ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, Jean Delvare
2008-05-21 13:49     ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Dmitry Torokhov
2008-05-21 13:49       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-05-21 13:49       ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, Dmitry Torokhov
2008-05-21 14:09       ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-21 14:09         ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found]       ` <20080521093520.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-27 17:16         ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Ben Dooks
2008-05-27 17:16           ` [spi-devel-general] " Ben Dooks
2008-05-27 17:16           ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Ben Dooks
     [not found]           ` <20080527171656.GA870-SMNkleLxa3Z6Wcw2j4pizdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-27 19:01             ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Dmitry Torokhov
2008-05-27 19:01               ` [spi-devel-general] " Dmitry Torokhov
2008-05-27 19:01               ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Dmitry Torokhov
2008-05-22  0:52     ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel David Brownell
2008-05-22  0:52       ` David Brownell
2008-05-22  0:52       ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, David Brownell
     [not found]       ` <200805211752.15670.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-22  9:35         ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-22  9:35           ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-22  9:35           ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]           ` <48353E45.2080903-KWPb1pKIrIJaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-26 16:23             ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-26 16:23               ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-26 16:23               ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-26 18:01   ` Accelerometer etc subsystem (Update on progress) Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-26 18:01     ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]     ` <4863D97A.9090102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-26 18:26       ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-26 18:26         ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-26 18:26         ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-27  2:39     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-06-27  2:39       ` [lm-sensors] " Randy Dunlap
2008-06-27  3:29     ` Ben Nizette
2008-06-27  3:29       ` [lm-sensors] " Ben Nizette
     [not found]       ` <1214537367.8462.157.camel-L9Ekdhw1/RnCa3F4uneLBw@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27  9:45         ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-27  9:45           ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-27  9:45           ` Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]           ` <4864B6D6.3020509-KWPb1pKIrIJaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-28  8:34             ` Ben Nizette
2008-06-28  8:34               ` Ben Nizette
2008-06-28  8:34               ` Ben Nizette
     [not found]               ` <1214642057.4265.7.camel-L9Ekdhw1/RnCa3F4uneLBw@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-28 15:34                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-28 15:34                   ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-06-28 15:34                   ` Jonathan Cameron
     [not found] ` <4832A211.4040206-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-20 17:50   ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel mark gross
2008-05-20 17:50     ` mark gross
2008-05-20 17:50     ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, mark gross
     [not found]     ` <20080520175041.GA30909-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-21  9:40       ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-21  9:40         ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-21  9:40         ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]         ` <4833EE22.80502-KWPb1pKIrIJaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-27 15:43           ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel mark gross
2008-05-27 15:43             ` [spi-devel-general] " mark gross
2008-05-27 15:43             ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, mark gross
     [not found]             ` <20080527154331.GA29868-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-29 11:57               ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-29 11:57                 ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-29 11:57                 ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-22  0:53       ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel David Brownell
2008-05-22  0:53         ` David Brownell
2008-05-22  0:53         ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, David Brownell
2008-05-27 15:56         ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel mark gross
2008-05-27 15:56           ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, mark gross
     [not found]           ` <20080527155641.GB29868-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-27 23:42             ` David Brownell [this message]
2008-05-27 23:42               ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel David Brownell
2008-05-27 23:42               ` [lm-sensors] Accelerometer, David Brownell
2008-05-27 16:44   ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Anton Vorontsov
2008-05-27 16:44     ` [spi-devel-general] " Anton Vorontsov
2008-05-27 16:44     ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Anton Vorontsov
2008-05-27 16:50     ` [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Ben Dooks
2008-05-27 16:50       ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Ben Dooks
2008-05-27 17:01       ` [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Anton Vorontsov
2008-05-27 17:01         ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]       ` <20080527165021.GA22585-SMNkleLxa3Z6Wcw2j4pizdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-27 18:00         ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-27 18:00           ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-27 18:00           ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]           ` <483C4C58.5080301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-27 18:12             ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Ben Dooks
2008-05-27 18:12               ` [spi-devel-general] " Ben Dooks
2008-05-27 18:12               ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Ben Dooks
     [not found]     ` <20080527164415.GA27584-PHTr8nzUCjejyJ0x5qLZdcN33GVbZNy3@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-27 17:59       ` Accelerometer, Gyros and ADC's etc within the kernel Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-27 17:59         ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-05-27 17:59         ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] Accelerometer, Jonathan Cameron

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