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From: "Hans J. Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>
To: Ben Dooks <ben-linux@fluff.org>
Cc: "Hans J. Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@gmail.com>,
	mgross@linux.intel.com, Dmitry Torokhov <dtor@mail.ru>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LM Sensors <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	hmh@hmh.eng.br, Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>,
	spi-devel-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Ben Nizette <bn@niasdigital.com>
Subject: Re: [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:38:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080724153816.GE2254@local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080724100144.GA8301@fluff.org.uk>

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:01:44AM +0100, Ben Dooks wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:41:25AM +0200, Hans J. Koch wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 08:19:18PM +0100, Ben Dooks wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 06:00:29PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > > > Dear All,
> > > > 
> > > > The need for an industrialio subsystem was discussed in
> > > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/5/20/135
> > > 
> > > The name is really bad, this sounds like something for doing large
> > > scale industrial process control.
> > 
> > Well, it says "Industrial I/O". To me, this means it handles I/O devices
> > typically found in industrial applications.
> 
> Yes, industrial is generally process control of manufacturing
> processes which in my view is making this sound like it is limiting
> the field of operations.

OK, I agree.

> 
> All the applications we would currently need are things like
> handheld PDA type devices which are hardly 'industrial' or small
> consumer measurement systems.

Well, though the _use_ of such devices might not be "industrial",
_technically_ they are very similar to embedded systems found in
automation or other industrial equipment.

Many of these devices (all that have mmappable memory) can be handled
with a UIO driver, but for the rest (mostly stuff connected to serial
busses), it's important to have a subsystem in the kernel. I really
don't care too much about its name. BTW, before UIO was first published,
its internal name was "Industrial I/O" ;-)

Thanks,
Hans

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From: "Hans J. Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>
To: Ben Dooks <ben-linux@fluff.org>
Cc: "Hans J. Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@gmail.com>,
	mgross@linux.intel.com, Dmitry Torokhov <dtor@mail.ru>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LM Sensors <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	hmh@hmh.eng.br, Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>,
	spi-devel-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Ben Nizette <bn@niasdigital.com>
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:38:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080724153816.GE2254@local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080724100144.GA8301@fluff.org.uk>

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:01:44AM +0100, Ben Dooks wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:41:25AM +0200, Hans J. Koch wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 08:19:18PM +0100, Ben Dooks wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 06:00:29PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> > > > Dear All,
> > > > 
> > > > The need for an industrialio subsystem was discussed in
> > > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/5/20/135
> > > 
> > > The name is really bad, this sounds like something for doing large
> > > scale industrial process control.
> > 
> > Well, it says "Industrial I/O". To me, this means it handles I/O devices
> > typically found in industrial applications.
> 
> Yes, industrial is generally process control of manufacturing
> processes which in my view is making this sound like it is limiting
> the field of operations.

OK, I agree.

> 
> All the applications we would currently need are things like
> handheld PDA type devices which are hardly 'industrial' or small
> consumer measurement systems.

Well, though the _use_ of such devices might not be "industrial",
_technically_ they are very similar to embedded systems found in
automation or other industrial equipment.

Many of these devices (all that have mmappable memory) can be handled
with a UIO driver, but for the rest (mostly stuff connected to serial
busses), it's important to have a subsystem in the kernel. I really
don't care too much about its name. BTW, before UIO was first published,
its internal name was "Industrial I/O" ;-)

Thanks,
Hans


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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-23 17:00 [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:00 ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:08 ` [Patch 1/4] Industrialio Core Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:08   ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 18:31   ` Anton Vorontsov
2008-07-23 18:31     ` [lm-sensors] " Anton Vorontsov
2008-07-24 10:12     ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 10:12       ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 19:42   ` Ben Dooks
2008-07-23 19:42     ` [lm-sensors] " Ben Dooks
2008-07-24 10:33     ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 10:33       ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24  9:01   ` Eric Piel
2008-07-24  9:01     ` [lm-sensors] " Eric Piel
2008-07-24 11:56     ` [spi-devel-general] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 11:56       ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:11 ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 2/4] Max1363 (and similar) ADCs Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:11   ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:14 ` [Patch 3/4] ST LIS3L02DQ accelerometer Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:14   ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:07   ` Alan Cox
2008-07-23 17:07     ` [lm-sensors] " Alan Cox
2008-07-23 17:44     ` Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:44       ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:17 ` [Patch 4/4] VTI SCA3000 Series accelerometer driver Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 17:48 ` [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-07-23 17:48   ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-07-24  9:44   ` [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Eric Piel
2008-07-24  9:44     ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, Eric Piel
2008-07-24 10:08     ` [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Ben Dooks
2008-07-24 10:08       ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, Ben Dooks
2008-07-24 12:20       ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:20         ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:13     ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:13       ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:37       ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Eric Piel
2008-07-24 12:37         ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Eric Piel
2008-07-24 12:45         ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:45           ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 13:26           ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Dmitry Torokhov
2008-07-24 13:26             ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Dmitry Torokhov
2008-07-24 13:39             ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 13:39               ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 18:36 ` [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) David Brownell
2008-07-23 18:36   ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, David Brownell
2008-07-23 19:19 ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Ben Dooks
2008-07-23 19:19   ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Ben Dooks
2008-07-24  7:41   ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Hans J. Koch
2008-07-24  7:41     ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Hans J. Koch
2008-07-24  9:19     ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Alan Cox
2008-07-24  9:19       ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Alan Cox
2008-07-24 12:28       ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:28         ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 10:01     ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Ben Dooks
2008-07-24 10:01       ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Ben Dooks
2008-07-24 15:38       ` Hans J. Koch [this message]
2008-07-24 15:38         ` Hans J. Koch
2008-07-24 16:11         ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 16:11           ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:32   ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 12:32     ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-23 19:33 ` [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Ben Dooks
2008-07-23 19:33   ` [lm-sensors] [spi-devel-general] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO Ben Dooks
2008-07-24 17:57 ` [Patch 5/4] IndustrialIO subsystem very early cut of documentation + userspace demo Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 17:57   ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 5/4] IndustrialIO subsystem very early cut of Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-24 22:25 ` [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-24 22:25   ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-25 11:12   ` [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-25 11:12     ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, Jonathan Cameron
2008-07-25 11:28     ` [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, accelerometers etc) Anton Vorontsov
2008-07-25 11:28       ` [lm-sensors] [Patch 0/4] IndustrialIO subsystem (ADCs, Anton Vorontsov

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