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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@qumranet.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	benami@il.ibm.com, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, aliguori@us.ibm.com, allen.m.kay@intel.com,
	muli@il.ibm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] reserved-ram for pci-passthrough without VT-d capable hardware
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:58:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080730135846.GB11494@duo.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807301150.44266.amit.shah@qumranet.com>

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:50:43AM +0530, Amit Shah wrote:
> * On Tuesday 29 July 2008 18:47:35 Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > I'm not so interested to go there right now, because while this code
> > > is useful right now because the majority of systems out there lacks
> > > VT-d/iommu, I suspect this code could be nuked in the long
> > > run when all systems will ship with that, which is why I kept it all
> >
> > Actually at least on Intel platforms and if you exclude the lowest end
> > VT-d is shipping universally for quite some time now. If you
> > buy a Intel box today or bought it in the last year the chances are pretty
> > high that it has VT-d support.
> 
> I think you mean VT-x, which is virtualization extensions for the x86 
> architecture. VT-d is virtualization extensions for devices (IOMMU).

I think Andi understood VT-d right but even if he was right that every
reader of this email that is buying a new VT-x system today is also
almost guaranteed to get a VT-d motherboard (which I disagree unless
you buy some really expensive toy), there are current large
installations of VT-x systems that lacks VT-d and that with recent
current dual/quadcore cpus are very fast and will be used for the next
couple of years and they will not upgrade just the motherboard to use
pci-passthrough.

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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@qumranet.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	benami@il.ibm.com, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, aliguori@us.ibm.com, allen.m.kay@intel.com,
	muli@il.ibm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] reserved-ram for pci-passthrough without VT-d capable hardware
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:58:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080730135846.GB11494@duo.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807301150.44266.amit.shah@qumranet.com>

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:50:43AM +0530, Amit Shah wrote:
> * On Tuesday 29 July 2008 18:47:35 Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > I'm not so interested to go there right now, because while this code
> > > is useful right now because the majority of systems out there lacks
> > > VT-d/iommu, I suspect this code could be nuked in the long
> > > run when all systems will ship with that, which is why I kept it all
> >
> > Actually at least on Intel platforms and if you exclude the lowest end
> > VT-d is shipping universally for quite some time now. If you
> > buy a Intel box today or bought it in the last year the chances are pretty
> > high that it has VT-d support.
> 
> I think you mean VT-x, which is virtualization extensions for the x86 
> architecture. VT-d is virtualization extensions for devices (IOMMU).

I think Andi understood VT-d right but even if he was right that every
reader of this email that is buying a new VT-x system today is also
almost guaranteed to get a VT-d motherboard (which I disagree unless
you buy some really expensive toy), there are current large
installations of VT-x systems that lacks VT-d and that with recent
current dual/quadcore cpus are very fast and will be used for the next
couple of years and they will not upgrade just the motherboard to use
pci-passthrough.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-30 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-23 14:52 KVM: PCIPT: direct mmio pfn check benami
2008-06-23 14:52 ` [PATCH] " benami
2008-06-25  0:57   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-06-25  1:18     ` [PATCH] reserved-ram for pci-passthrough without VT-d capable hardware Andrea Arcangeli
2008-06-25  1:18       ` Andrea Arcangeli, Andrea Arcangeli
2008-06-25  1:28       ` [PATCH] reserved-ram kvm-userland patch Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-29 12:11       ` [PATCH] reserved-ram for pci-passthrough without VT-d capable hardware Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-29 12:11         ` Andrea Arcangeli, Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-29 12:43         ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-29 12:43           ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-29 12:53           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-29 12:53             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-29 13:17             ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-29 13:17               ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-30  6:20               ` Amit Shah
2008-07-30  6:20                 ` Amit Shah
2008-07-30 12:27                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-30 12:27                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-30 13:58                 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2008-07-30 13:58                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-30 14:16                   ` Dor Laor
2008-07-30 14:16                     ` Dor Laor
2008-07-30 14:38                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-30 14:38                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-30 14:22                   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-07-30 14:22                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-27 17:00 Passera, Pablo R
2009-04-27 17:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-04-28 13:35   ` Passera, Pablo R
2009-04-28 18:06     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-05 19:53       ` Passera, Pablo R

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