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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: andi@firstfloor.org
Cc: csnook@redhat.com, rick.jones2@hp.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:40:12 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080922.184012.212424947.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080923001409.GB25711@one.firstfloor.org>

From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:14:09 +0200

> Typical case: you got a large company network behind a NAT.
> First user has a very crappy wireless connection behind a slow
> intercontinental link talking to the outgoing NAT router. He connectes to 
> your internet server first and the window, slow start etc. parameters 
> for him are saved in the dst_entry.  
> 
> The next guy behind the same NAT is in the same building
> as the router who connects the company to the internet. He
> has a much faster line. He connects to the same server. 
> They will share the same dst and inetpeer entries.
> 
> The parameters saved earlier for the same IP are clearly invalid
> for the second case. The link characteristics are completely 
> different.

Just as typical are setups where the NAT clients are 1 or 2
fast hops behind the firewall.

There are many cases where perfectly acceptible heuristics
don't perform optimally, this doesn't mean we disable them
by default.

> Also did you know there are there are whole countries behind
> NAT.

I am more than aware of this, however this doesn't mean it is
sane and this kind of setup makes many useful internet services
inaccessible.

> Ah I see there's a sysctl now to disable this. How about
> setting it by default?

It's for debugging.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-23  1:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-08 21:56 RFC: Nagle latency tuning Christopher Snook
2008-09-08 22:39 ` Rick Jones
2008-09-09  5:10   ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09  5:17     ` David Miller
2008-09-09  5:56       ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09  6:02         ` David Miller
2008-09-09 10:31           ` Mark Brown
2008-09-09 12:05             ` David Miller
2008-09-09 12:09               ` Mark Brown
2008-09-09 12:19                 ` David Miller
2008-09-09  6:22         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-09-09  6:28           ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09 13:00           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-09-09 14:36     ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-09 18:40       ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09 19:07         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-09 19:21           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-09-11  4:08           ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09 19:59         ` David Miller
2008-09-09 20:25           ` Chris Snook
2008-09-22 10:49           ` David Miller
2008-09-22 11:09             ` David Miller
2008-09-22 20:30               ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-22 22:22                 ` Chris Snook
2008-09-22 22:26                   ` David Miller
2008-09-22 23:00                     ` Chris Snook
2008-09-22 23:13                       ` David Miller
2008-09-22 23:24                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-22 23:21                           ` David Miller
2008-09-23  0:14                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  0:33                               ` Rick Jones
2008-09-23  2:12                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  1:40                               ` David Miller [this message]
2008-09-23  2:23                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  2:28                                   ` David Miller
2008-09-23  2:41                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-22 22:47                   ` Rick Jones
2008-09-22 22:57                     ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09 16:33     ` Rick Jones
2008-09-09 16:54       ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-09 17:21         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-09-09 17:54         ` Rick Jones
2008-09-08 22:55 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-09  5:22   ` Chris Snook

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