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From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
To: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:57:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48D822E6.6070309@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48D82082.7010803@hp.com>

Rick Jones wrote:
>> Indeed.  Setting tcp_delack_min to 0 completely eliminated the 
>> undesired latencies, though of course that would be a bit dangerous 
>> with naive apps talking across the network. 
> 
> What did it do to the packets per second or per unit of work?  Depending 
> on the nature of the race between the ACK returning from the remote and 
> the application pushing more bytes into the socket, I'd think that 
> setting the delayed ack timer to zero could result in more traffic on 
> the network (those bare ACKs) than simply setting TCP_NODELAY at the 
> source.
> 
> And since with small packets and/or copy avoidance an ACK is 
> (handwaving) just as many CPU cycles at either end as a data segment 
> that also means a bump in CPU utilization.
> 
> rick jones

I never saw performance go down, but I was always using low latency/high 
bandwidth loopback or LAN connection, with only one socket per CPU.

I agree though, that turning this off is suboptimal.  I'm going to pursue 
David's idea of making delack_min and ato_min dynamically calculated by the kernel.

-- Chris

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-22 22:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-08 21:56 RFC: Nagle latency tuning Christopher Snook
2008-09-08 22:39 ` Rick Jones
2008-09-09  5:10   ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09  5:17     ` David Miller
2008-09-09  5:56       ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09  6:02         ` David Miller
2008-09-09 10:31           ` Mark Brown
2008-09-09 12:05             ` David Miller
2008-09-09 12:09               ` Mark Brown
2008-09-09 12:19                 ` David Miller
2008-09-09  6:22         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-09-09  6:28           ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09 13:00           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-09-09 14:36     ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-09 18:40       ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09 19:07         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-09 19:21           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-09-11  4:08           ` Chris Snook
2008-09-09 19:59         ` David Miller
2008-09-09 20:25           ` Chris Snook
2008-09-22 10:49           ` David Miller
2008-09-22 11:09             ` David Miller
2008-09-22 20:30               ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-22 22:22                 ` Chris Snook
2008-09-22 22:26                   ` David Miller
2008-09-22 23:00                     ` Chris Snook
2008-09-22 23:13                       ` David Miller
2008-09-22 23:24                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-22 23:21                           ` David Miller
2008-09-23  0:14                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  0:33                               ` Rick Jones
2008-09-23  2:12                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  1:40                               ` David Miller
2008-09-23  2:23                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  2:28                                   ` David Miller
2008-09-23  2:41                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-22 22:47                   ` Rick Jones
2008-09-22 22:57                     ` Chris Snook [this message]
2008-09-09 16:33     ` Rick Jones
2008-09-09 16:54       ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-09 17:21         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-09-09 17:54         ` Rick Jones
2008-09-08 22:55 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-09  5:22   ` Chris Snook

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