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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Alexander van Heukelum <heukelum@fastmail.fm>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Alexander van Heukelum <heukelum@mailshack.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	lguest@ozlabs.org, jeremy@xensource.com,
	Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>,
	Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC/RFB] x86_64, i386: interrupt dispatch changes
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:15:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081106091548.GE4890@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4910EBF5.7070506@goop.org>


* Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org> wrote:

> Why are the accesses locked?  Is it because it does an update of the 
> accessed bit in the descriptor?  (We should be pre-setting them all 
> anyway.)

yes, the accessed bit in the segment descriptor has to be updated in 
an atomic transaction: the CPU has to do a MESI coherent 
read+compare+write transaction, without damaging other updates to the 
6 bytes segment descriptor.

Old OSs implemented paging to disk by swapping out segments based on 
the accessed bit, and clearing the present and accessed bit when the 
segment is swapped out.

But given that all our GDT entries have the accessed bit set on Linux, 
there's no physical reason why the CPU should be using a locked cycle 
here - only to stay compatible with ancient stuff.

So ... that notion just survived in the backwards-compatibility stream 
of CPU enhancements, over the past 10 years.

On 64-bit Linux there's no reason to maintain that principle, so i'd 
expect future CPUs to relax this even more, were it ever to show up on 
the performance radar. Note that SYSCALL/SYSRET already optimize that 
away.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-04 12:28 [PATCH RFC/RFB] x86_64, i386: interrupt dispatch changes Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 12:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 13:29   ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 14:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:23       ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 16:47         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-04 16:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 17:13             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-04 17:29               ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-06  9:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 20:02       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-04 20:15         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 20:02   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-04 15:07 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-04 15:47   ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 16:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:45       ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 16:54         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:58           ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 17:39           ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 17:05   ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-04 18:06     ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 18:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 18:44         ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 19:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 19:33           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 20:06             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-04 20:30             ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-04 20:26               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 20:46                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-04 20:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 21:06         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-05  0:42           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-05  0:50             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-06  9:15             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-11-06  9:25               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-06  9:30                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-05 10:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-14  1:11             ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-14  1:20               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-14  2:12                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-04 21:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 21:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 21:52             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-05 17:53               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-05 18:04                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-05 18:14                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-05 18:20                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-05 18:26                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
     [not found]         ` <1226243805.27361.1283784629@webmail.messagingengine.com>
2008-11-10  1:29           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-26 21:35             ` [Lguest] " Avi Kivity
2008-11-26 21:50               ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-27  0:03               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-27 10:13                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-27 10:56                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-27 10:59                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-28 20:48                   ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-29 15:45                     ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-29 18:21                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-29 18:22                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-29 19:58                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-01  4:32                         ` Rusty Russell
2008-12-01  8:00                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-01  9:24                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-01 10:32                             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-12-01 10:41                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-01 10:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-10  8:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-10 12:44             ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-10 13:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-10 21:35                 ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-10 22:21                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-11  5:00                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-13 22:23                     ` Matt Mackall
2008-11-14  1:18                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-14  2:29                         ` Matt Mackall
2008-11-14  3:22                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-11  9:54                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-10 15:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-10 21:44               ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-10 23:34                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-05 18:15     ` Cyrill Gorcunov

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