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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Alexander van Heukelum <heukelum@fastmail.fm>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Alexander van Heukelum <heukelum@mailshack.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	lguest@ozlabs.org, jeremy@xensource.com,
	Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>,
	Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC/RFB] x86_64, i386: interrupt dispatch changes
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:58:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081110085846.GG22392@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1226243805.27361.1283784629@webmail.messagingengine.com>


* Alexander van Heukelum <heukelum@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have spent some time trying to find out how expensive the 
> segment-switching patch was. I have only one computer available at 
> the time: a "Sempron 2400+", 32-bit-only machine.
> 
> Measured were timings of "hackbench 10" in a loop. The average was 
> taken of more than 100 runs. Timings were done for two seperate 
> boots of the system.

hackbench is _way_ too noisy to measure such cycle-level differences 
as irq entry changes cause. It also does not really stress interrupts 
- it only stresses networking, the VFS and the scheduler.

a better test might have been to generate a ton of interrupts, but 
even then it's _very_ hard to measure it properly. The best method is 
what i've suggested to you early on: run a loop in user-space and 
observe irq costs via RDTSC, as they happen. Then build a histogram 
and compare the before/after histogram. Compare best-case results as 
well (the first slot of the histogram), as those are statistically 
much more significant than a noisy average.

Measuring such things in a meaningful way is really tricky business. 
Using hackbench to measure IRQ entry micro-costs is like trying to 
take a photo of a delicate flower at night, by using an atomic bomb as 
the flash-light: you certainly get some sort of effect to report, but 
there's not many nuances left in the picture to really look at ;-)

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-10  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-04 12:28 [PATCH RFC/RFB] x86_64, i386: interrupt dispatch changes Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 12:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 13:29   ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 14:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:23       ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 16:47         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-04 16:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 17:13             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-04 17:29               ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-06  9:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 20:02       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-04 20:15         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 20:02   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-04 15:07 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-04 15:47   ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 16:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:45       ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 16:54         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 16:58           ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 17:39           ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 17:05   ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-04 18:06     ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 18:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 18:44         ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-04 19:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 19:33           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 20:06             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-04 20:30             ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-04 20:26               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 20:46                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-04 20:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 21:06         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-05  0:42           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-11-05  0:50             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-06  9:15             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-06  9:25               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-06  9:30                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-05 10:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-14  1:11             ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-14  1:20               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-14  2:12                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-04 21:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-04 21:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-04 21:52             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-05 17:53               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-05 18:04                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-05 18:14                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-11-05 18:20                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-05 18:26                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
     [not found]         ` <1226243805.27361.1283784629@webmail.messagingengine.com>
2008-11-10  1:29           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-26 21:35             ` [Lguest] " Avi Kivity
2008-11-26 21:50               ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-27  0:03               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-27 10:13                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-27 10:56                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-27 10:59                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-28 20:48                   ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-29 15:45                     ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-29 18:21                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-29 18:22                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-29 19:58                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-01  4:32                         ` Rusty Russell
2008-12-01  8:00                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-01  9:24                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-01 10:32                             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-12-01 10:41                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-01 10:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-10  8:58           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-11-10 12:44             ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-10 13:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-10 21:35                 ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-10 22:21                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-11  5:00                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-13 22:23                     ` Matt Mackall
2008-11-14  1:18                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-14  2:29                         ` Matt Mackall
2008-11-14  3:22                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-11  9:54                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-10 15:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-10 21:44               ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-11-10 23:34                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-11-05 18:15     ` Cyrill Gorcunov

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