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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Cc: Robert Love <rlove-L7G0xEPcOZbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [take 3] Use pid in inotify events.
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:15:08 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081117171508.GA564@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfd18e0f0811170859w1d3f903ej1d5626f2d2bf4496-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Hi Michael.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:59:11AM -0500, Michael Kerrisk (mtk.manpages-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org) wrote:
> NAK.  If we are going to do this -- and I leave the security
> discussions to others more knowlegeable on that score than me -- then
> the API design should be better than this.  The current design is a
> hack.  Why exclude rename events?  Why re-use the cookie field?  The
> only answers I can guess at are that the current patch is less work to
> write.  IMO, there are (much) better design possibilities, using
> inotify1(), as I suggested earlier in this thread.

Cookie was created to store information used to somehow connect events to
each other. PID does that from another angle than rename. Extending
(rewriting userspace event processing part) events is a solution for the
new project, while existing patch (where all security concerns are
resolved) is a minimum functionality extension.

if I will spent a day and rewrite userspace report side to report new
events I'm pretty sure there will be people, who will start complaining
that again design does not match some theoretically perfect
expectations, and for the purpose of reporting origin's PID cookie
fields can be reused since right now it is unused.

Plus, if it is that hard to comment on patch which adds 14 (!) lines
including blank, which feedback we should expect on larger one? :)

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov
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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
To: mtk.manpages@gmail.com
Cc: Robert Love <rlove@rlove.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [take 3] Use pid in inotify events.
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:15:08 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081117171508.GA564@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfd18e0f0811170859w1d3f903ej1d5626f2d2bf4496@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:59:11AM -0500, Michael Kerrisk (mtk.manpages@googlemail.com) wrote:
> NAK.  If we are going to do this -- and I leave the security
> discussions to others more knowlegeable on that score than me -- then
> the API design should be better than this.  The current design is a
> hack.  Why exclude rename events?  Why re-use the cookie field?  The
> only answers I can guess at are that the current patch is less work to
> write.  IMO, there are (much) better design possibilities, using
> inotify1(), as I suggested earlier in this thread.

Cookie was created to store information used to somehow connect events to
each other. PID does that from another angle than rename. Extending
(rewriting userspace event processing part) events is a solution for the
new project, while existing patch (where all security concerns are
resolved) is a minimum functionality extension.

if I will spent a day and rewrite userspace report side to report new
events I'm pretty sure there will be people, who will start complaining
that again design does not match some theoretically perfect
expectations, and for the purpose of reporting origin's PID cookie
fields can be reused since right now it is unused.

Plus, if it is that hard to comment on patch which adds 14 (!) lines
including blank, which feedback we should expect on larger one? :)

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-17 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <acdcfe7e0811081035l56eedf05x8b3b7ee2fc01eee6@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <acdcfe7e0811081035l56eedf05x8b3b7ee2fc01eee6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-08 18:40   ` [1/1] Use pid in inotify events Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-08 18:40     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]     ` <20081108184013.GA11888-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-08 22:03       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-08 22:03         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-10 15:13   ` [take 2] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-10 15:13     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-16 23:24   ` [take 3] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-16 23:24     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]     ` <20081116232450.GA13547-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 16:59       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 16:59         ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]         ` <cfd18e0f0811170859w1d3f903ej1d5626f2d2bf4496-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 17:15           ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2008-11-17 17:15             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]             ` <20081117171508.GA564-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 17:23               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 17:23                 ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]                 ` <cfd18e0f0811170923q6b72bd0fn9d319bbceb8fa6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 17:52                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-17 17:52                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                     ` <20081117175212.GA2224-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-20 13:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-20 13:09                         ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20081120130902.GA1408-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:03                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:03                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                             ` <20081121140325.GA12384-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:20                               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-21 14:20                                 ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]                                 ` <517f3f820811210620o34307610hf926bbe3b3828e8c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:37                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:37                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:30                               ` Robert Love
2008-11-21 14:30                                 ` Robert Love
     [not found]                                 ` <acdcfe7e0811210630s65404ef5pf2b94731c2a872e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:53                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:53                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:57                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-21 14:57                                     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                     ` <20081121145709.GC1554-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 15:08                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 15:08                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-18 13:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-18 13:19             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]             ` <20081118131937.GC16944-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-19 14:05               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-19 14:05                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                 ` <cfd18e0f0811190634g276b4a2dm5b3d5de25a5c9222@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <cfd18e0f0811190634g276b4a2dm5b3d5de25a5c9222-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-19 14:43                     ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-19 14:43                       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-20 19:17                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-11-19 14:53                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-19 14:53                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                       ` <20081119145351.GA2652-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-20 22:34                         ` John McCutchan
2008-11-20 22:34                           ` John McCutchan
     [not found]                           ` <cfec22b10811201434v2230d11dvc9797018e433fd20-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-20 23:06                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-20 23:06                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                               ` <20081120230612.GB6536-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 18:39                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-11-21 18:39                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-11-22  7:12                                   ` David Newall
     [not found]                                     ` <4927B0D5.4020907-KzQzY1MbaKjAHznzqCTclw@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-22  9:41                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-22  9:41                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                         ` <20081122094144.GB12543-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-22 11:41                                           ` David Newall
2008-11-22 11:41                                             ` David Newall
     [not found]                                   ` <200811211939.46812.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-22  9:37                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-22  9:37                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                       ` <20081122093749.GA12543-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-24  5:08                                         ` John McCutchan
2008-11-24  5:08                                           ` John McCutchan
     [not found]                                           ` <cfec22b10811232108u3ade8b66w58999054c03549fc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-24  7:30                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-24  7:30                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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