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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: John McCutchan <john-jueV0HHMeujJJrXXpGQQMAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
Cc: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>,
	Robert Love <rlove-L7G0xEPcOZbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [take 3] Use pid in inotify events.
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:06:12 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081120230612.GB6536@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfec22b10811201434v2230d11dvc9797018e433fd20-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Hi John.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 02:34:11PM -0800, John McCutchan (john-jueV0HHMeujJJrXXpGQQMAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org) wrote:
> I really don't like the idea of overloading the cookie field to store
> the pid for only the events that don't already use the cookie field.

Adding PID or whatever else will not be used most of the time either.
I agree, that having new protocol (which so far did not get any
extensions except what I described for my own application) looks
cleaner, but if no one will use it, and existing extension works for
everyone (nothing breaks), I'm trying to push this idea up.

So, except theoretical clearness of the unused-by-everyong idea,
what forces you to think, that new inotify should be implemented?

> Coming into this late, maybe I missed it but can you explain why you
> need the pid that caused the event?

I have a network server, which gets IO requests from different clients
and maintains coherency of the data between them, but if file is
modified locally I want to flush or invalidate remote data. I decided
not to dig into the kernel on the server node and use inotify to get
notifications about events, but there is no way to determine if given IO
was originated by server itself (and in this case nothing should be
done), or by external application which accesses exported directory (and
in this case I should send update messages to clients).

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov
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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
To: John McCutchan <john@johnmccutchan.com>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Robert Love <rlove@rlove.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [take 3] Use pid in inotify events.
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:06:12 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081120230612.GB6536@ioremap.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfec22b10811201434v2230d11dvc9797018e433fd20@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 02:34:11PM -0800, John McCutchan (john@johnmccutchan.com) wrote:
> I really don't like the idea of overloading the cookie field to store
> the pid for only the events that don't already use the cookie field.

Adding PID or whatever else will not be used most of the time either.
I agree, that having new protocol (which so far did not get any
extensions except what I described for my own application) looks
cleaner, but if no one will use it, and existing extension works for
everyone (nothing breaks), I'm trying to push this idea up.

So, except theoretical clearness of the unused-by-everyong idea,
what forces you to think, that new inotify should be implemented?

> Coming into this late, maybe I missed it but can you explain why you
> need the pid that caused the event?

I have a network server, which gets IO requests from different clients
and maintains coherency of the data between them, but if file is
modified locally I want to flush or invalidate remote data. I decided
not to dig into the kernel on the server node and use inotify to get
notifications about events, but there is no way to determine if given IO
was originated by server itself (and in this case nothing should be
done), or by external application which accesses exported directory (and
in this case I should send update messages to clients).

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-20 23:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <acdcfe7e0811081035l56eedf05x8b3b7ee2fc01eee6@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <acdcfe7e0811081035l56eedf05x8b3b7ee2fc01eee6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-08 18:40   ` [1/1] Use pid in inotify events Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-08 18:40     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]     ` <20081108184013.GA11888-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-08 22:03       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-08 22:03         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-10 15:13   ` [take 2] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-10 15:13     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-16 23:24   ` [take 3] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-16 23:24     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]     ` <20081116232450.GA13547-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 16:59       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 16:59         ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]         ` <cfd18e0f0811170859w1d3f903ej1d5626f2d2bf4496-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 17:15           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-17 17:15             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]             ` <20081117171508.GA564-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 17:23               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 17:23                 ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]                 ` <cfd18e0f0811170923q6b72bd0fn9d319bbceb8fa6a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-17 17:52                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-17 17:52                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                     ` <20081117175212.GA2224-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-20 13:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-20 13:09                         ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20081120130902.GA1408-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:03                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:03                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                             ` <20081121140325.GA12384-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:20                               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-21 14:20                                 ` Michael Kerrisk
     [not found]                                 ` <517f3f820811210620o34307610hf926bbe3b3828e8c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:37                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:37                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:30                               ` Robert Love
2008-11-21 14:30                                 ` Robert Love
     [not found]                                 ` <acdcfe7e0811210630s65404ef5pf2b94731c2a872e1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 14:53                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:53                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:57                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-21 14:57                                     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                     ` <20081121145709.GC1554-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 15:08                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 15:08                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-18 13:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-18 13:19             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]             ` <20081118131937.GC16944-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-19 14:05               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-19 14:05                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                 ` <cfd18e0f0811190634g276b4a2dm5b3d5de25a5c9222@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <cfd18e0f0811190634g276b4a2dm5b3d5de25a5c9222-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-19 14:43                     ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-19 14:43                       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-20 19:17                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-11-19 14:53                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-19 14:53                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                       ` <20081119145351.GA2652-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-20 22:34                         ` John McCutchan
2008-11-20 22:34                           ` John McCutchan
     [not found]                           ` <cfec22b10811201434v2230d11dvc9797018e433fd20-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-20 23:06                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2008-11-20 23:06                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                               ` <20081120230612.GB6536-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-21 18:39                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-11-21 18:39                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-11-22  7:12                                   ` David Newall
     [not found]                                     ` <4927B0D5.4020907-KzQzY1MbaKjAHznzqCTclw@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-22  9:41                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-22  9:41                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                         ` <20081122094144.GB12543-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-22 11:41                                           ` David Newall
2008-11-22 11:41                                             ` David Newall
     [not found]                                   ` <200811211939.46812.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-22  9:37                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-22  9:37                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                       ` <20081122093749.GA12543-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-24  5:08                                         ` John McCutchan
2008-11-24  5:08                                           ` John McCutchan
     [not found]                                           ` <cfec22b10811232108u3ade8b66w58999054c03549fc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-24  7:30                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-24  7:30                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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