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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, paulus@samba.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, eranian@googlemail.com,
	dada1@cosmosbay.com, robert.richter@amd.com, arjan@infradead.org,
	hpa@zytor.com, rostedt@goodmis.org
Subject: Re: [patch 0/3] [Announcement] Performance Counters for Linux
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:24:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081205082431.GD2030@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081205.001717.216522767.davem@davemloft.net>


* David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:

> > > These things aren't measuring time, or even just cycles, they are 
> > > measuring things like L2 cache misses, cpu cycles, and other 
> > > similar kinds of events.
> > > 
> > > So these counters are going to measure all of the damn crap 
> > > assosciated with doing the read() call as well as the real work the 
> > > task does.
> > 
> > that's wrong, look at the example we posted - see it pasted below.
> 
> It's still too simple to be useful.
> 
> There are so many aspects other than the immediate PC that monitoring 
> tasks want to inspect when a counter overflows.

fully agreed.

While most of the flat profilers like oprofile will be happy with the PC 
alone, i do think we want a couple of extended notification types.

Right now we begun with the most trivial ones:

  enum perf_record_type {
          PERF_RECORD_SIMPLE,
          PERF_RECORD_IRQ,
  };

... but it would be natural to do a PERF_RECORD_GP_REGISTERS as well. 
Perhaps even a PERF_RECORD_STACKTRACE using the sysprof facilities, to do 
a hierarchic multi-dimension profile that sysprof does so nicely.

Note that the record type is an independent attribute of a counter. It 
can be set regardless of the even type - and it can be set independently 
for each counter. So you can have say 3 'simple' counters with no irqs 
plus one 'all registers' counter which generates an IRQ: and then you can 
read out the simple counters at the same type.

We could also perhaps do a PERF_RECORD_ALL: it represents a snapshot of 
all active counter values in the task. This is _far_ better than forcibly 
scheduling the monitored task.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-05  8:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-04 23:44 [patch 0/3] [Announcement] Performance Counters for Linux Thomas Gleixner
2008-12-04 23:44 ` [patch 1/3] performance counters: core code Thomas Gleixner
2008-12-05 10:55   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05 11:20     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-04 23:44 ` [patch 2/3] performance counters: documentation Thomas Gleixner
2008-12-05  0:33   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05  0:37     ` David Miller
2008-12-05  2:50       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-12-05  3:26         ` David Miller
2008-12-05  2:33     ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-04 23:45 ` [patch 3/3] performance counters: x86 support Thomas Gleixner
2008-12-05  0:22 ` [patch 0/3] [Announcement] Performance Counters for Linux Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05  6:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  7:02     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-12-05  7:52       ` David Miller
2008-12-05  7:03     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  7:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-05  7:57         ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05  8:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-05  8:07             ` David Miller
2008-12-05  8:11               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  8:17                 ` David Miller
2008-12-05  8:24                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-12-05  8:27                     ` David Miller
2008-12-05  8:42                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  8:49                         ` David Miller
2008-12-05 12:13                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05 12:39                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-05 20:08                           ` David Miller
2008-12-10  3:48                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-12-10  4:42                               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-10  8:43                               ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-12-10 10:28                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-10 10:28                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-10 10:23                                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-12-10 11:03                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-10 11:03                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-05 15:00               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-12-05  9:16             ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05  7:57       ` David Miller
2008-12-05  8:18         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  8:20           ` David Miller
2008-12-05  7:54     ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05  8:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  8:15         ` David Miller
2008-12-05 13:25           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  9:10         ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05 12:07           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-06  0:05             ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-06  1:23               ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-12-06 12:34               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-07  5:15                 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-08  7:18                   ` stephane eranian
2008-12-08 11:11                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-08 11:58                       ` David Miller
2008-12-09  0:21                       ` stephane eranian
2008-12-05  0:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-05  0:43   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05  1:12 ` David Miller
2008-12-05  6:10   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  7:50     ` David Miller
2008-12-05  9:34     ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-05 10:41       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05 10:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-05  3:30 ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-06  2:36 ` stephane eranian
2008-12-08  2:12   ` [perfmon2] [patch 0/3] [Announcement] Performance Counters forLinux Dan Terpstra
2008-12-08  2:12     ` Dan Terpstra
2008-12-10 16:27   ` [patch 0/3] [Announcement] Performance Counters for Linux Rob Fowler
2008-12-10 16:27     ` [perfmon2] " Rob Fowler
2008-12-10 17:11     ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-10 17:11       ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-05 21:24 Corey Ashford

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