* ice1712 error
@ 2008-12-19 15:38 Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-19 15:46 ` Takashi Iwai
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-19 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
Hello,
I found out the ICE1712 card is sometimes detected OK and sometimes
isn't detected correctly.
Cold boot/warm boot doesn't really matter.
I tried kernel 2.6.27.9 and older.
Card is is fine when detected.
Behaviour doesn't change when I try a different PCI slot.
When the card fails:
# dmesg|grep 01:09
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 10 io port: [a000, a01f]
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 14 io port: [a400, a40f]
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 18 io port: [a800, a80f]
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 1c io port: [ac00, ac3f]
pci 0000:01:09.0: supports D2
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
When the card is OK:
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 10 io port: [a000, a01f]
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 14 io port: [a400, a40f]
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 18 io port: [a800, a80f]
PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 1c io port: [ac00, ac3f]
pci 0000:01:09.0: supports D2
ICE1712 0000:01:09.0: PCI INT A -> Link[APC4] -> GSI 19 (level, low) ->
IRQ 19
I booted into single user mode each time and checked /proc/asound/cards
after each boot and then looked at dmesg.
Does this mean the card is toast?
What does the -12 mean?
What should I try next?
Kind regards,
Udo
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 15:38 ice1712 error Udo van den Heuvel
@ 2008-12-19 15:46 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-12-19 16:00 ` Udo van den Heuvel
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2008-12-19 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:38:50 +0100,
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I found out the ICE1712 card is sometimes detected OK and sometimes
> isn't detected correctly.
> Cold boot/warm boot doesn't really matter.
> I tried kernel 2.6.27.9 and older.
> Card is is fine when detected.
> Behaviour doesn't change when I try a different PCI slot.
>
> When the card fails:
>
> # dmesg|grep 01:09
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 10 io port: [a000, a01f]
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 14 io port: [a400, a40f]
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 18 io port: [a800, a80f]
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 1c io port: [ac00, ac3f]
> pci 0000:01:09.0: supports D2
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
>
> When the card is OK:
>
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 10 io port: [a000, a01f]
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 14 io port: [a400, a40f]
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 18 io port: [a800, a80f]
> PCI: 0000:01:09.0 reg 1c io port: [ac00, ac3f]
> pci 0000:01:09.0: supports D2
> ICE1712 0000:01:09.0: PCI INT A -> Link[APC4] -> GSI 19 (level, low) ->
> IRQ 19
>
> I booted into single user mode each time and checked /proc/asound/cards
> after each boot and then looked at dmesg.
>
> Does this mean the card is toast?
> What does the -12 mean?
It's ENOMEM, means it failed to allocate some memories.
Takashi
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 15:46 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-12-19 16:00 ` Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-19 16:11 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-12-19 17:28 ` John Rigg
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-19 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
>> Does this mean the card is toast?
>> What does the -12 mean?
>
> It's ENOMEM, means it failed to allocate some memories.
Thanks for the info.
There is 4G of RAM in the box.
I can boot with mem=2048000K and still get the error every like I
described. (sometimes it is in error, sometimes it is OK)
Do I need to remove SIMMs to test?
What could I do?
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 16:00 ` Udo van den Heuvel
@ 2008-12-19 16:11 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-12-19 16:21 ` Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-19 17:28 ` John Rigg
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2008-12-19 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:00:43 +0100,
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> >> Does this mean the card is toast?
> >> What does the -12 mean?
> >
> > It's ENOMEM, means it failed to allocate some memories.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> There is 4G of RAM in the box.
> I can boot with mem=2048000K and still get the error every like I
> described. (sometimes it is in error, sometimes it is OK)
>
> Do I need to remove SIMMs to test?
>
> What could I do?
It doesn't always mean there are too little memory. 4GB is definitely
enough for the operation.
You should figure out which function returns -ENOMEM error in the
probe callback.
Takashi
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 16:11 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-12-19 16:21 ` Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-19 17:01 ` Takashi Iwai
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-19 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:00:43 +0100,
> Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>> Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>>> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
>>>> Does this mean the card is toast?
>>>> What does the -12 mean?
>>> It's ENOMEM, means it failed to allocate some memories.
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> There is 4G of RAM in the box.
>> I can boot with mem=2048000K and still get the error every like I
>> described. (sometimes it is in error, sometimes it is OK)
>>
>> Do I need to remove SIMMs to test?
>>
>> What could I do?
>
> It doesn't always mean there are too little memory. 4GB is definitely
> enough for the operation.
>
> You should figure out which function returns -ENOMEM error in the
> probe callback.
How can I do that?
Please let me know which file I need to modify.
I can build a test-kernel and see waht happens then.
Kind regards,
Udo
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 16:21 ` Udo van den Heuvel
@ 2008-12-19 17:01 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-12-19 17:18 ` Udo van den Heuvel
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2008-12-19 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:21:44 +0100,
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:00:43 +0100,
> > Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> >> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> >>>> Does this mean the card is toast?
> >>>> What does the -12 mean?
> >>> It's ENOMEM, means it failed to allocate some memories.
> >> Thanks for the info.
> >>
> >> There is 4G of RAM in the box.
> >> I can boot with mem=2048000K and still get the error every like I
> >> described. (sometimes it is in error, sometimes it is OK)
> >>
> >> Do I need to remove SIMMs to test?
> >>
> >> What could I do?
> >
> > It doesn't always mean there are too little memory. 4GB is definitely
> > enough for the operation.
> >
> > You should figure out which function returns -ENOMEM error in the
> > probe callback.
>
> How can I do that?
> Please let me know which file I need to modify.
> I can build a test-kernel and see waht happens then.
Well, my bet is snd_card_new(). It returns NULL when something is
wrong, and the driver returns -ENOMEM no matter which error was.
Usually when this happens you'll have some error messages
(e.g. "cannot find the slot...") or so.
Build with the debug option CONFIG_SND_DEBUG=y, at least. If you are
building from alsa-driver tarball, pass --with-debug=full configure
option.
Takashi
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 17:01 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-12-19 17:18 ` Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-20 8:37 ` Takashi Iwai
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-19 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>> You should figure out which function returns -ENOMEM error in the
>>> probe callback.
>> How can I do that?
>> Please let me know which file I need to modify.
>> I can build a test-kernel and see waht happens then.
>
> Well, my bet is snd_card_new(). It returns NULL when something is
> wrong, and the driver returns -ENOMEM no matter which error was.
> Usually when this happens you'll have some error messages
> (e.g. "cannot find the slot...") or so.
snd_card_new gives me the error.
(I put some printk's at the right spots.)
So what's the next step?
Kind regards,
Udo
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 16:00 ` Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-19 16:11 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-12-19 17:28 ` John Rigg
2008-12-19 17:38 ` Udo van den Heuvel
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: John Rigg @ 2008-12-19 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:00:43PM +0100, Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> >> Does this mean the card is toast?
> >> What does the -12 mean?
> >
> > It's ENOMEM, means it failed to allocate some memories.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> There is 4G of RAM in the box.
> I can boot with mem=2048000K and still get the error every like I
> described. (sometimes it is in error, sometimes it is OK)
>
> Do I need to remove SIMMs to test?
>
> What could I do?
You can test your memory in situ with memtest86+
from http://www.memtest.org
John
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 17:28 ` John Rigg
@ 2008-12-19 17:38 ` Udo van den Heuvel
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-19 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Rigg; +Cc: alsa-devel
John Rigg wrote:
>> What could I do?
>
> You can test your memory in situ with memtest86+
> from http://www.memtest.org
Thanks, but I do think my RAM is OK. Kernels and other stuff build OK
and the system doesn't crash.
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-19 17:18 ` Udo van den Heuvel
@ 2008-12-20 8:37 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-12-20 11:11 ` Udo van den Heuvel
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2008-12-20 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:18:53 +0100,
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>> You should figure out which function returns -ENOMEM error in the
> >>> probe callback.
> >> How can I do that?
> >> Please let me know which file I need to modify.
> >> I can build a test-kernel and see waht happens then.
> >
> > Well, my bet is snd_card_new(). It returns NULL when something is
> > wrong, and the driver returns -ENOMEM no matter which error was.
> > Usually when this happens you'll have some error messages
> > (e.g. "cannot find the slot...") or so.
>
> snd_card_new gives me the error.
> (I put some printk's at the right spots.)
>
> So what's the next step?
Check that function. Did you build with the debug option?
Takashi
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-20 8:37 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-12-20 11:11 ` Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-20 12:56 ` Udo van den Heuvel
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-20 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> snd_card_new gives me the error.
>> (I put some printk's at the right spots.)
>>
>> So what's the next step?
>
> Check that function. Did you build with the debug option?
Yes.
For hda-intel it gives some extra messages but none for ice1712:
ALSA sound/core/init.c:183: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............ (my own debugging)
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
ALSA sound/core/init.c:183: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............ (my own debugging)
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
So I really need help.
Kind regards,
Udo
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-20 11:11 ` Udo van den Heuvel
@ 2008-12-20 12:56 ` Udo van den Heuvel
2008-12-20 15:40 ` Takashi Iwai
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-20 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
>>> snd_card_new gives me the error.
>>> (I put some printk's at the right spots.)
>>>
>>> So what's the next step?
>> Check that function. Did you build with the debug option?
>
> Yes.
> For hda-intel it gives some extra messages but none for ice1712:
>
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:183: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............ (my own debugging)
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:183: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............ (my own debugging)
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
>
It appears that in init.c, in snd_card_new this part of code is causing
the error:
else if (idx < snd_ecards_limit) {
if (snd_cards_lock & (1 << idx))
err = -EBUSY; /* invalid */
printk(KERN_WARNING "busy............\n"); /*my debug */
}
So it is my card?
Repeatedly rmmodding and modprobing snd_ice1712 now only gives me -12
Please advise.
Udo
cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!
busy............
ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
busy............
ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
busy............
ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
busy............
ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
busy............
ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
busy............
ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
0-7), error: -16
NULLcardinit............
ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-20 12:56 ` Udo van den Heuvel
@ 2008-12-20 15:40 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-12-20 16:22 ` Udo van den Heuvel
[not found] ` <4A460396.2070309@xs4all.nl>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2008-12-20 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:56:08 +0100,
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> > Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>> snd_card_new gives me the error.
> >>> (I put some printk's at the right spots.)
> >>>
> >>> So what's the next step?
> >> Check that function. Did you build with the debug option?
> >
> > Yes.
> > For hda-intel it gives some extra messages but none for ice1712:
> >
> > ALSA sound/core/init.c:183: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> > 0-7), error: -16
> > NULLcardinit............ (my own debugging)
> > ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> > ALSA sound/core/init.c:183: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> > 0-7), error: -16
> > NULLcardinit............ (my own debugging)
> > ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> >
> It appears that in init.c, in snd_card_new this part of code is causing
> the error:
>
> else if (idx < snd_ecards_limit) {
> if (snd_cards_lock & (1 << idx))
> err = -EBUSY; /* invalid */
> printk(KERN_WARNING "busy............\n"); /*my debug */
> }
>
> So it is my card?
> Repeatedly rmmodding and modprobing snd_ice1712 now only gives me -12
>
> Please advise.
It means that the given slot is already occupied, or so. Unlikely a
driver error but a user-setup problem.
Check index options of all sound cards. For example, try to remove
index options once, and let the system load all devices.
In general, using slots option of snd module is recommended. Read
ALSA-Configuration.txt for details.
Takashi
>
> Udo
>
> cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!
> busy............
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> busy............
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> busy............
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> busy............
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> busy............
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
> busy............
> ALSA sound/core/init.c:193: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range
> 0-7), error: -16
> NULLcardinit............
> ICE1712: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12
>
>
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* Re: ice1712 error
2008-12-20 15:40 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-12-20 16:22 ` Udo van den Heuvel
[not found] ` <4A460396.2070309@xs4all.nl>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Udo van den Heuvel @ 2008-12-20 16:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> It appears that in init.c, in snd_card_new this part of code is causing
>> the error:
>>
>> else if (idx < snd_ecards_limit) {
>> if (snd_cards_lock & (1 << idx))
>> err = -EBUSY; /* invalid */
>> printk(KERN_WARNING "busy............\n"); /*my debug */
>> }
>>
>> So it is my card?
>> Repeatedly rmmodding and modprobing snd_ice1712 now only gives me -12
>>
>> Please advise.
>
> It means that the given slot is already occupied, or so. Unlikely a
> driver error but a user-setup problem.
Ok, that is good news!
> Check index options of all sound cards. For example, try to remove
> index options once, and let the system load all devices.
I #'ed out all index lines in /etc/modprobe.conf and then the card
immediately worked when I used rmmopd/modprobe.
> In general, using slots option of snd module is recommended. Read
> ALSA-Configuration.txt for details.
Will have a look and give it a try.
Thanks!
Udo
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* Re: ice1712 error
[not found] ` <4A460396.2070309@xs4all.nl>
@ 2009-06-28 8:39 ` Takashi Iwai
[not found] ` <4A472D18.1010201@xs4all.nl>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2009-06-28 8:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:33:42 +0200,
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> Hello Takashi,
>
> WHat to do when I have 3 cards total, two cards of these 3 using the
> same driver: hda-intel.
> Hwo can I fix this one specific card to a snd slot? The computer somehow
> puts the card in the wrong order.
> (i.e.: C-B-A instead of A-B-C where A and C use hda-intel)
> Can I specify PCI-id's similar to the USB vid/pid that can be passed?
You can specify index option, e.g. index=2,1,0.
Takashi
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* Re: ice1712 error
[not found] ` <4A472D18.1010201@xs4all.nl>
@ 2009-06-28 9:02 ` Takashi Iwai
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2009-06-28 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Udo van den Heuvel; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:43:04 +0200,
Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
>
> On 2009-06-28 10:39, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:33:42 +0200,
> > Udo van den Heuvel wrote:
> >> Hello Takashi,
> >>
> >> WHat to do when I have 3 cards total, two cards of these 3 using the
> >> same driver: hda-intel.
> >> Hwo can I fix this one specific card to a snd slot? The computer somehow
> >> puts the card in the wrong order.
> >> (i.e.: C-B-A instead of A-B-C where A and C use hda-intel)
> >> Can I specify PCI-id's similar to the USB vid/pid that can be passed?
> >
> > You can specify index option, e.g. index=2,1,0.
>
> Yes, OK, but hen index 0 and 2 are both hda-intel, how do I tie a
> *specific* hda-intel card to each slot?
There is no generic way. The assignment order is usually static and
unchanged for such PCI devices. (Or, you can change the slot later
via sysfs, if any.)
In general, you shouldn't stick with the assignment order but rather
use the id string to each device.
Takashi
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