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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	lsm <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New reflink(2) syscall
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:21:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090505182135.GK17486@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090505175603.GH7835@mail.oracle.com>

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:56:03AM -0700, Joel Becker wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:44:11PM -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > > Both use cases are equally valid, and I imagine there would be
> > > interest in using reflinks both for snapshots and as a very
> > > lightweight copy operation by commands like /bin/cp.
> 
> 	Sure, but you can start with a reflink and then do what you want
> to it.
> 
> > Not arguing against this, but just to note:  the security model will
> > differ depending on these flags, as the link-like case doesn't require
> > the caller to have read access to the file (the data is no more
> > accessible than it was before), whereas the copy-like case requires the
> > caller to have read access to the original file since the data "leaks"
> > into a container with potentially different access constraints.
> 
> 	Yeah, another reason why I don't want to complicate the
> behavior.  I defined it as "the operation is like link(2)" for a reason
> :-)

The security model *is* the problem, however.  If we have a mode where
reflink acts like cp, then it doesn't require anything special in
terms of CAP_FOWNER.  It really is the same as a copy command.   

So sure, you could start with a reflink and then modify it, but if
you're an unprivileged user, you won't be able to create the reflink
in the first place.

					- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-05 18:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <alpine.LRH.2.00.0905041655220.21713@tundra.namei.org>
     [not found] ` <1241443016.3023.51.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2009-05-04 15:35   ` New reflink(2) syscall James Morris
2009-05-04 16:59     ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-04 17:49       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 18:00       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 18:41         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-05 19:15           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 19:14             ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-05 19:33               ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 22:15         ` James Morris
2009-05-05 22:31           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-06 11:23           ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]   ` <20090504163514.GB31249@mail.oracle.com>
     [not found]     ` <1241458669.3023.203.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2009-05-04 18:08       ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04 19:30         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-04 21:03           ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04 21:30             ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 11:44               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-05 16:46                 ` Joel Becker
2009-05-04 23:13             ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 16:47               ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 16:56                 ` Chris Mason
2009-05-05 17:13                   ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 17:34                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 17:44                       ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-05 17:56                         ` Joel Becker
2009-05-05 18:21                           ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2009-05-06  4:27                             ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-06  4:42                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-06  5:38                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-06  7:12                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-05 22:45                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-06  4:08                           ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-06  4:28                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-05-06 11:25                           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-05 17:36                     ` Chris Mason

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