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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: nigel@tuxonice.net, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	tuxonice-devel@lists.tuxonice.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [TuxOnIce-devel] [RFC] TuxOnIce
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:10:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200905270110.54259.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200905270051.35831.oliver@neukum.org>

On Wednesday 27 May 2009, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 26. Mai 2009 00:58:53 schrieb Rafael J. Wysocki:
> > > No, I am afraid it is not. The average user has no clue. Even if that
> > > is not the problem, the user never knows for sure he has encountered
> > > the worst case.
> >
> > OK there, but surely it's better to have a sysfs attribute than a fixed
> > value?
> 
> Maybe I should have been more verbose.
> 
> A tunable setting is a race condition in itself. The right amount depends
> on the drivers loaded and the devices attached and possibly on the status
> of devices. Nothing of this can be determined statically.
> 
> You want hibernation to work even if the user has plugged in a new device.
> You have to calculate that amount in kernel space.

In practice, though, the drivers don't usually tell us in advance how much
memory they are going to need and I believe the only way they could do that
would be by allocating the memory from a hibernation notifier.

So, until the drivers start to use hibernation (and suspend for that matter)
notifiers, we need workarounds.

Best,
Rafael

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-26 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 281+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-06 14:38 [RFC] TuxOnIce Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` [PATCH 1/19] TuxOnIce: Documentation Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-16 20:10   ` Vegard Nossum
2009-05-16 20:10   ` Vegard Nossum
2009-05-16 22:18     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-16 22:18     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` [PATCH 2/19] TuxOnIce: GEMS support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` [PATCH 3/19] TuxOnIce: Make drop_pagecache non-static and declared in mm.h Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 4/19] TuxOnIce: Add support for just thawing kernel threads Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 5/19] TuxOnIce: Create means of determining how many pages can be allocated Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 6/19] TuxOnIce: Make functions and variables shared with swsusp non-static Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 7/19] TuxOnIce: Modify swsusp bitmaps to allow modification during scanning Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 8/19] TuxOnIce: Add core TuxOnIce code Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 9/19] TuxOnIce: Netlink support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 21:03   ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-06 21:03   ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-06 21:35     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07  4:34       ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-07  4:34       ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-06 21:35     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 10/19] TuxOnIce: Storage manager support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 11/19] TuxOnIce: Block I/O engine Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 12/19] TuxOnIce: Compression support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 13/19] TuxOnIce: File allocator Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 14/19] TuxOnIce: Swap support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 15/19] TuxOnIce: Userspace user interface support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 16/19] TuxOnIce: Warn user if an initrd doesn't include an attempt at resuming Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 17/19] TuxOnIce: Support for replacing swsusp Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 18/19] TuxOnIce: Provide a means of determining the freezer state Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 19/19] TuxOnIce: Don't try to wake kswapd if the freezer is on Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 12:09 ` [RFC] TuxOnIce Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 15:28   ` [TuxOnIce-devel] " Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 15:28   ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 17:05     ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-09  9:10       ` Stefan Richter
2009-05-09  9:10       ` Stefan Richter
2009-05-10  5:37       ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-10  5:37       ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 17:05     ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-10  5:37     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-10  5:37     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 16:54   ` Sunil Kumar
2009-05-07 16:55   ` U Kuehn
2009-05-07 16:55   ` U Kuehn
2009-05-07 16:55   ` U Kuehn
2009-05-07 17:45     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 17:45     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 17:49       ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 18:54         ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 18:54         ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 18:57           ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 18:57           ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 17:49       ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 17:52       ` Matt Price
2009-05-07 18:22         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 18:22         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 18:57           ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 18:57           ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 19:27             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 19:27             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 20:41               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 23:14                 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-07 23:14                 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-07 23:32                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 23:43                     ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-07 23:43                     ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08  0:13                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08  0:39                         ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08  0:39                         ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08  0:49                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08  0:49                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08  0:39                         ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08  0:13                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08  0:18                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08  0:18                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 23:32                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 20:41               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 21:46             ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08  7:11               ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-08  7:11               ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 21:46             ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 17:52       ` Matt Price
2009-05-07 21:42     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 21:42     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08  0:11     ` Alex Goebel
2009-05-08  0:11     ` Alex Goebel
2009-05-07 17:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 17:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 20:37     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 20:37     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 21:51     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08  1:34       ` [TuxOnIce-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 14:11         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 21:52           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 21:52           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 22:46             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 22:46             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 23:30               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:43                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 10:05                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 12:43                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 12:43                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 13:15                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 13:15                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 21:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 21:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                       ` <1243288705.16743.129.camel@nigel-laptop>
2009-05-25 22:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 22:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26  0:39                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  0:39                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 22:27                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 22:27                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-27  0:02                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-27 18:26                                 ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 18:26                                 ` [linux-pm] " Len Brown
2009-05-27  0:02                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:45                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-25 22:58                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 22:58                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 23:13                           ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-27 14:38                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-05-27 14:38                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-05-25 23:13                           ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26  0:42                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  0:42                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  9:19                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26  9:19                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 11:07                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 11:07                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 21:33                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:33                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:56                                 ` Alan Stern
2009-05-26 21:56                                 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2009-05-26 22:24                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 22:24                                   ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2009-05-27  0:00                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-27  0:00                                     ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 23:59                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 23:59                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:36                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 21:36                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 21:29                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:29                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 22:51                           ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 23:10                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 23:10                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2009-05-26 22:51                           ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26  0:42                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  0:42                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:45                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-25 10:05                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:43                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 23:44                 ` Ray Lee
2009-05-27 19:10                   ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 19:10                   ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 19:10                   ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 23:43                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-27 23:43                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:44                 ` Ray Lee
2009-05-09 13:54                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-09 13:54                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25  9:53                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:02                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26  0:19                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  0:19                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 22:37                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-27  0:06                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-27  0:06                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 22:37                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 22:02                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-28 11:50                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 11:50                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25  9:53                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:30               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-09 13:27               ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-09 13:27               ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-09 19:32                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-09 19:32                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-09 22:22                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-09 22:22                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-14  9:16                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-16 23:11                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-16 23:11                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-14  9:16                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-09 13:03           ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-09 13:03           ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08 14:11         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 19:44         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-05-08 21:03           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 22:37             ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 22:37             ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 21:03           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 21:59           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:05             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-05-08 23:15               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-09 13:58                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-09 13:58                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25  9:27                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 12:32                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 12:32                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 13:22                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-25 13:22                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-25 13:26                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 21:50                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 21:50                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 13:26                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 21:39                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 21:39                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:29                         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26  0:28                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  0:28                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  0:35                           ` david
2009-05-26  0:35                             ` david
2009-05-26  0:47                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  0:47                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26  8:43                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 10:56                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 10:56                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26  8:43                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 22:29                         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-25  9:27                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:15               ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:05             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-05-09 11:12             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-09 11:12             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-08 21:59           ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 19:44         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-05-08  1:34       ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 21:51     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 22:37   ` [TuxOnIce-devel] " trekker.dk
2009-05-08  1:17     ` Shannon McMackin
2009-05-08 21:47       ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-10  5:38       ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-11 20:10         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-05-10  5:38     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-10  5:38     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-11 21:19       ` trekker.dk
2009-05-11 21:19       ` trekker.dk
2009-05-11 21:23         ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-13 20:19           ` trekker.dk
2009-05-13 20:24             ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-13 22:07               ` trekker.dk
2009-05-13 22:07               ` trekker.dk
2009-05-13 20:24             ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-13 20:19           ` trekker.dk
2009-05-11 21:23         ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-11 23:23         ` Alex Goebel
2009-05-11 23:23         ` Alex Goebel
2009-05-07 22:37   ` trekker.dk
2009-05-07 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-16 19:07 ` [TuxOnIce-devel] " Martin Steigerwald
2009-05-16 19:07 ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-05-17  2:53   ` Matt Price
2009-05-17  2:53   ` Matt Price
2009-05-17  3:06     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-17  3:24       ` Matt Price
2009-05-17  3:24       ` Matt Price
2009-05-17  3:06     ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-17  3:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-17  3:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-17  5:02   ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-17  5:02   ` Nigel Cunningham

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