From: Martin Steigerwald <ms@teamix.de>
To: tuxonice-devel@lists.tuxonice.net
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, nigel@tuxonice.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [TuxOnIce-devel] [RFC] TuxOnIce
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:38:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200905271638.50097.ms@teamix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200905260113.46440.oliver@neukum.org>
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Am Dienstag, 26. Mai 2009 schrieb Oliver Neukum:
> Am Dienstag, 26. Mai 2009 00:58:53 schrieb Rafael J. Wysocki:
> > On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > > No, I am afraid it is not. The average user has no clue. Even if that
> > > is not the problem, the user never knows for sure he has encountered
> > > the worst case.
> >
> > OK there, but surely it's better to have a sysfs attribute than a fixed
> > value?
>
> Why? The driver knows best. Tunables are generally the worst solution.
I agree, but what about the not so ideal real-world? What about closed source
drivers? Who is going to educate closed source driver writers to inform the
kernel about their memory requirements early enough? And how long will this
take?
I think at least as an interim measure it makes sense to have a sysfs value.
Or discourage closed-source drivers even more.
I prefer open-source gfx drivers and don't need extra pages allowance, but
that might not hold true for everyone.
--
Martin Steigerwald - team(ix) GmbH - http://www.teamix.de
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2009-05-06 14:38 [RFC] TuxOnIce Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` [PATCH 1/19] TuxOnIce: Documentation Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-16 20:10 ` Vegard Nossum
2009-05-16 20:10 ` Vegard Nossum
2009-05-16 22:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-16 22:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` [PATCH 2/19] TuxOnIce: GEMS support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` [PATCH 3/19] TuxOnIce: Make drop_pagecache non-static and declared in mm.h Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 4/19] TuxOnIce: Add support for just thawing kernel threads Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 5/19] TuxOnIce: Create means of determining how many pages can be allocated Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 6/19] TuxOnIce: Make functions and variables shared with swsusp non-static Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 7/19] TuxOnIce: Modify swsusp bitmaps to allow modification during scanning Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 8/19] TuxOnIce: Add core TuxOnIce code Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 9/19] TuxOnIce: Netlink support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 21:03 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-06 21:03 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-06 21:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 21:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 4:34 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-07 4:34 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 10/19] TuxOnIce: Storage manager support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 11/19] TuxOnIce: Block I/O engine Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 12/19] TuxOnIce: Compression support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 13/19] TuxOnIce: File allocator Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 14/19] TuxOnIce: Swap support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 15/19] TuxOnIce: Userspace user interface support Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 16/19] TuxOnIce: Warn user if an initrd doesn't include an attempt at resuming Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 17/19] TuxOnIce: Support for replacing swsusp Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 18/19] TuxOnIce: Provide a means of determining the freezer state Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` [PATCH 19/19] TuxOnIce: Don't try to wake kswapd if the freezer is on Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-06 14:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 12:09 ` [RFC] TuxOnIce Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 15:28 ` [TuxOnIce-devel] " Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 15:28 ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 17:05 ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 17:05 ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-09 9:10 ` Stefan Richter
2009-05-09 9:10 ` Stefan Richter
2009-05-10 5:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-10 5:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-10 5:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-10 5:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 16:54 ` Sunil Kumar
2009-05-07 16:55 ` U Kuehn
2009-05-07 17:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 17:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 17:49 ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 18:54 ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 18:54 ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 18:57 ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 18:57 ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 17:49 ` Kenneth Crudup
2009-05-07 17:52 ` Matt Price
2009-05-07 18:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 18:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 18:57 ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 18:57 ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 19:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 20:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 20:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 23:14 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-07 23:32 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 23:43 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-07 23:43 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08 0:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 0:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 0:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08 0:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08 0:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 0:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 0:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-08 0:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 0:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 23:32 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 23:14 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-05-07 19:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 21:46 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 21:46 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08 7:11 ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-08 7:11 ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-07 17:52 ` Matt Price
2009-05-07 21:42 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 21:42 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08 0:11 ` Alex Goebel
2009-05-08 0:11 ` Alex Goebel
2009-05-07 16:55 ` U Kuehn
2009-05-07 16:55 ` U Kuehn
2009-05-07 17:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 17:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-07 20:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 20:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-07 21:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 21:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08 1:34 ` [TuxOnIce-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 1:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 14:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 14:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 21:52 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 21:52 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 22:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 23:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 10:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 10:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 12:43 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 12:43 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 13:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 13:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2009-05-25 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 0:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-27 0:02 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-27 18:26 ` [linux-pm] " Len Brown
2009-05-27 18:26 ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 0:02 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 0:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 22:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-25 22:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-25 23:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-27 14:38 ` Martin Steigerwald [this message]
2009-05-27 14:38 ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-05-25 23:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 0:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 0:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 9:19 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 11:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 21:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:56 ` Alan Stern
2009-05-26 21:56 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2009-05-26 22:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-27 0:00 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-27 0:00 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 22:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 23:59 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 23:59 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 11:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 21:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 21:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 9:19 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 22:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-26 23:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 23:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 22:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-25 22:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 0:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 0:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-05-08 23:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-08 23:44 ` Ray Lee
2009-05-27 19:10 ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 19:10 ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 19:10 ` Len Brown
2009-05-27 23:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-27 23:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-08 23:44 ` Ray Lee
2009-05-09 13:54 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 9:53 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 9:53 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-26 0:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-26 22:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-27 0:06 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2009-05-26 0:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-25 22:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-28 11:50 ` Pavel Machek
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2009-05-09 13:54 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-08 23:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-05-09 13:27 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-09 19:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-09 19:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-05-09 22:22 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2009-05-14 9:16 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-14 9:16 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-16 23:11 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2009-05-25 21:50 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2009-05-25 13:26 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-25 13:22 ` Oliver Neukum
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