From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
chris.mason@oracle.com, david@fromorbit.com, hch@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com,
richard@rsk.demon.co.uk, damien.wyart@free.fr,
Alex Chiang <achiang@hp.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@aristanetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v8
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:32:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090528193246.GX26625@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1octdw8sv.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 08:23:28AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> I thought the network stack was the only piece of code silly enough
> to hold locks while deleting sysfs files.
>
> Holding any lock while deleting a objects from sysfs, sysctl or proc,
> is asking for serious mischief, and unfixable from the fs side.
>
> The usual problem is that lockdep doesn't yet understand
> sysfs_deactivate which waits for any running sysfs operations to
> complete before it deletes the sysfs files.
>
> Which means any lock you hold in a show or store method is can deadlock
> with any lock you hold while deleting from sysfs.
>
> ext4 appears lock loose and fancy free in it's show and store methods
> so it might be ok except for this issue of mmap_sem vs sysfs_mutex.
> But apparently even that isn't enough to git rid of the requirement
> to not hold locks when deleting objects.
I ran into this problem, and I attempted to work around the fact that
the core VFS layer calls the fs's put_super() while holding the BKL
and the super block lock as follows at the very end of ext4's
put_super() function:
/*
* Now that we are completely done shutting down the
* superblock, we need to actually destroy the kobject.
*/
unlock_kernel();
unlock_super(sb);
kobject_put(&sbi->s_kobj);
wait_for_completion(&sbi->s_kobj_unregister);
lock_super(sb);
lock_kernel();
I'm pretty sure that after the first call to invalidate_inodes() in
fs/super.c's generic_shutdown_super(), we really don't need to hold
the BKL or the superblock lock (and let the filesystems' low-level
write_super(0 and put_super() take the lock if they really need it),
but we probably need to take a closer look at this to make sure it's
true for all filesystems. (IIRC, I think Christoph was looking to
clean up lock_super(); at least with respect to the write_super call.
I don't know what his plans regarding the BKL and put_super(),
though.)
Fundamentally, right now it's rather painful to use sysfs from within
a filesystem driver, since the generic VFS layer doesn't have any
explicit kobject support functionality.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-28 19:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-27 9:41 [PATCH 0/11] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v8 Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 01/11] ntfs: remove old debug check for dirty data in ntfs_put_super() Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 02/11] btrfs: properly register fs backing device Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 03/11] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 04/11] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 11:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-27 11:24 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 15:14 ` Jan Kara
2009-05-27 17:50 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 14:45 ` Jan Kara
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 05/11] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 06/11] writeback: separate the flushing state/task from the bdi Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 07/11] writeback: support > 1 flusher thread per bdi Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 9:27 ` Jan Kara
2009-05-28 10:40 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 12:43 ` Jan Kara
2009-05-28 12:53 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 13:58 ` Jan Kara
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 08/11] writeback: allow sleepy exit of default writeback task Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 09/11] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 10/11] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 9:41 ` [PATCH 11/11] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 12:41 ` [PATCH 0/11] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v8 Richard Kennedy
2009-05-27 12:47 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 14:47 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-27 15:05 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 17:53 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-27 17:53 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-27 17:57 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 17:58 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-27 17:58 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-27 18:14 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 19:15 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-27 19:45 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 0:49 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-28 9:28 ` Jan Kara
2009-05-28 9:28 ` Jan Kara
2009-05-28 9:36 ` Jens Axboe
2009-05-28 15:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-28 19:32 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2009-05-28 19:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-28 19:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
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